... movement defbuff in exchange for that tankyness, and make the smaller bucklers and small shields that give agility bonus but less defense?make a spear or Halbert shield that gives bonuses when paired with a spear class weapon? Spike shields could increase a curtain opening, like yellow or red ...

... Start mining /w decent stone axe on a char that's been eating spitroast sturgeon or w/e early strength food ⋅  Make at least spears and maybe bronze plates ⋅  Build initial palisade ⋅  Build village idol ⋅  Metal symbel big pog ⋅  Start ...

... with a shield - if he mauls you - you're probably dead - no matter the "quality" of your armor. So you should keep your distance - use a spear, use dogs to assist you or set up a trap. And a bear is also made from flesh. But if you're a person with a spear - your enemy always has a possibility ...

... look at your arguments: You claim: B12 is better than swords because max cleaves do more damage Someone counters: Swords are similar to the 20% AP spear meta but with 250% block weight from shield's up Your counter: Swords have 12.5% AP which is less than 20% AP Someone counters: Swords have higher ...

Swords have higher base damage than spears
multiplication

Boar spear had 20% penetration and 1.6 range, it's way more than sword

Same thing happened back when spears became meta spear value didnt come from big boi cleaves it came from fast asf attack and annoying asf chip damage that out damaged b12 cleaves. Now imagine that but now you have 250% defense weight XD.

You retards realize with current numbers on ARP hits hirdsman only does like 10% less than pre-nerf spears, right? Do you not remember intentionally using spears over B12s? Except you get the best maneuver in the game using swords. You don't even need to play test it to know ...

... I can just build MC where B12 has to build UA, the crux of the argument is you get too much defense for how much chip damage you get now, where spears need to sacrifice defence or openings for that chip damage, and b12s use kitos for chip damage but it requires IP[/quote]

... That being said shields up was always OP, it was just fine being OP because swords did literally 0 damage before, not the case so much anymore, spear kinda fulfilled that mix of more damage for less defence but it was nerfed, maybe nerf sword back down to original values and spear damage up ...