My first death

[Potjeh]

That does seem horribly OP. Please nerf ranger bows, Loftar.

[DatOneGuy]

Fuck you, buff ranger bows.

You know damn right that ranger bows are still crappy as hell.

I've said it for a long time that ranger's bows are 'dangerous', butt hey are far from OP, you give yourself some AGI and some good armor and you're fine. A ranger's bow is bad enough already, jesus...

Sorry to see you died rye, sucks.

[rye130]

Fuck you, buff ranger bows.

You know damn right that ranger bows are still crappy as hell.

I've said it for a long time that ranger's bows are 'dangerous', butt hey are far from OP, you give yourself some AGI and some good armor and you're fine. A ranger's bow is bad enough already, jesus...

Sorry to see you died rye, sucks.

Yeah, I probably underestamated their strength. I don't think they need nerfed, just was thinking that they may have been buffed considering all the deaths lately.

[Sarchi]

If they would have melee'd you, you could have been able to roughly tell how much melee combat they had by how much damage they did against your defense bar.

[DatOneGuy]

More people have gotten ahold of q100+ ranger's bows, unless you have q100+ steel plate, and all your gear is up to par, it's going to pierce through your armor and knock you out. The curious thing is that unless the person has good trees and 200 survival they aren't hitting fast enough with a ranger's bow, so I'm quite curious... a q105 arrow (q10 branch, q200 bones) would give a 220 MM count at least, but that's still honestly pretty slow, around 300 is what you want to aim for.

All in all though, at least we know that bronze simply isn't good enough to be effective against them, because no one is selling q130+ bronze plates, but there are ranger's bows that can pierce anything lower.

[Sarchi]

Do people even HAVE q130+ bronze plates?

[ElGato]

More people have gotten ahold of q100+ ranger's bows, unless you have q100+ steel plate, and all your gear is up to par, it's going to pierce through your armor and knock you out. The curious thing is that unless the person has good trees and 200 survival they aren't hitting fast enough with a ranger's bow, so I'm quite curious... a q105 arrow (q10 branch, q200 bones) would give a 220 MM count at least, but that's still honestly pretty slow, around 300 is what you want to aim for.

All in all though, at least we know that bronze simply isn't good enough to be effective against them, because no one is selling q130+ bronze plates, but there are ranger's bows that can pierce anything lower.

Sweet, so my q110 steel armor can block this shit?

I still don't understand how my agi would go into the damage equation of someone shooting me...
If someone could explain that in small words, I'd appreciate it.

Also, I'd help you but, I can't exactly break palisades...

[rye130]

Aim speed didn't matter in this case, I was sitting in my char regaining stamina for plowing and paving more, got shot when I started to move.

[DatOneGuy]

Sweet, so my q110 steel armor can block this shit?

I still don't understand how my agi would go into the damage equation of someone shooting me...
If someone could explain that in small words, I'd appreciate it.

Also, I'd help you but, I can't exactly break palisades...

Basically if their PERC is 2x your AGI they will hit you at 'MAX DAMAGE' all the time. If your PERC = their AGI they'll hit at 50% MAX DAMAGE ~ MAX DAMAGE.

If you have higher AGI you have a much higher chance of being hit for less, it's still a gamble, but I find the numbers tend towards the lower spectrum...

If a guy with a ranger's bow and 500 PERC shoots at you and his max damage is 1,200....
Against a guy with 100 AGI : Always hits for 1,200
Against a guy with 250 AGI : Always hits for 1,200
Against a guy with 300 AGI : Hits from 1,000~1,200
Against a guy with 500 AGI : Hits from 600~1,200
Against a guy with 1,000 AGI : Hits from 300~1,200

AGI is a must if you suspect ranger's, or hell these days given some griefers have gotten their hands on them, it's something you should increase period. AGI is easier to raise than PERC, and is good for warping anyway.

[Potjeh]

Steel isn't that much stronger than bronze. If OP was wearing q110 steel instead of bronze, he would've taken just 82 damage less, which isn't that much when he's being hit for over 450.