A Formal Complaint to the A.D. Union

[Jackard]

There's such a thing as a good
russian?

i think you know the answer to this

[rozn]

Important:
1. Nobody in Xymop not steal Wagon (we had our own)
2. Our people frightened by death at the hands of Sodom
3. Near the city put Clime, began to build a fence.
4. When we arrived, they continued to build (ignore warnings on rune stones)
5. We were asked to wait for an interpreter, they began to run away!
6. We attempted to block them, but they ripped out all the time - we used aggression.
7. They were asked to lie down without getting up - but they got up several times ...
8. 2 seconds before the deadly blow, it was decided to let them go ...

I'm Sorry on behalf of the village Xymop
Surviving player, I gave a new Wagon, a sling 370, food and a great tool.

Goal was not to kill, we would like to talk!
Not a beautiful behavior is the cause of accidental death.

The whole entire time you spoke in russian and you never once said that a trnslator will come and the runestones were really bad english, i could barely read them and we ran because you charged at us with a sword in your hand and before that you were speaking russian so sorry i did not understand you

Morning killed our friend ...

[rozn]

Can we end this post now we should all just be thankful for the wonderful game Jorb and Loftar made and enjoy it while we can!

[DaMaGe]

without getting robbed and killed... hopefully

[rozn]

without getting robbed and killed... hopefully

Ya maybe everyone will make exeptions for Thanksgiving...but probally not lol

[suavelemon]

without getting robbed and killed... hopefully

Ya maybe everyone will make exeptions for Thanksgiving...but probally not lol

Yes, lets make exceptions for Thanksgiving... The day that we use to celebrate the robbing and killing of the native americans that our settlers originally encountered....

[FatBob]

by Wolfang » 24 Nov 2010, 15:52

1. Why did the russians stop and break the wagons? What were they going to achieve by doing this? Why did they was building village claim near ? its

[b]2. They probably always were going to kill some of you guys, they were taking aim at you guys and telling you not to move. One guy moved, one of the fat russians got a heart attack and misclicked leading to the death of the guy he was aiming at =>FatBob.

3. How would you react if you are a noob, and you know the russians know that you're noobs. Obviously you're going to try to protect yourself not by challenging them yourself, but by warning them you are protected by another faction. The Russians were obviously lusting for a kill, they knew that the wagon players were harmless newbs, and were obviously provoking them into doing the SLIGHTEST thing to give them an excuse to shoot. The guy with the viking hat avatar is on the forums, he can't have missed reading the posts about the wagon, so I don't see how he can make any excuses.

4. The russians know Sodom isn't going to react, the scents aren't going to be used, end of story. It was bound to happen, the question is ''Why didn't it happen sooner?'' The bullshit about 'talking first' is complete bullshit, especially considering the Russians were hugely more powerful then these week-long noobs and even IF they had tried to attack, they would have been massacred, no doubt they couldn't even have inflicted 1 damage.

5. It has once again been prooved that Koya has absolutely no control over AD, he's just a puppet in place doing PR acting like he knows whats going on.

This story is full of shit, fuck you for killing these people actually doing something interesting.

1 - Because they run away... If they stay at place, somebody who knows english will appear for discussion, if you run - you guilty in something.
2 - yes... it usual practice... melee agro, rangers take target and wait if target try to run away - KO.
3 - If you don't do anything stupid, you will have just a talk... Yes we are principal, if you will steal a boat at our land and we caught you, you need to get 300bricks or get killed... I think its very fair deal.
4 - Because they would do same way... If somebody will go around scare people they will bring AD to kill them, we will send rangers to kill that imposters. We also didn't interfer in Sodom's buissness, because its theirs. In this game all the time will die somebody, and always there be other ways to solve it. But if everybody will go unpunished, there will be chaos.
5 - I'm leader, not a dictator, and people in AD - cityzens, not slaves, so they have their right to decide, and to choose what to do in such situations. I don't want to have 12 hour a day online to be always knowing whats going on, I'm not a slave here too. I have a life, I'm owning a few companies with 100+ workers, I just relax here from stressive work. Because problems here are solvable, always there are way to fix everything, always second chance, and all this is not awailable in real life.

You have nothing to do just to write shit here ?
We was raided all the time in april-may. Nobody was there to help, we joined together and worked hard, then when had strength pillaged city of those who raided us.
Do the same, you have a lot of time, it needed us 3 month only to get to top. So do it !
Get together and get your point to be heard. When you get to this level - you will understand all this actions.
Russian community was thinking Sodom is killers, they need to be killed... when we got power, we understood them.

by Butko » 24 Nov 2010, 16:14

Good for you, but why even in first place russian wanna try to play a game when is expected from everybody to understand and speak a least little english to be able to comunnicate with anyone in game? Keep in mind that not everyone can read your grabbles&forks.
Learn the fucking English already it's not fucking hard to know 200 words with which u can talk with anyone. It's not a rocket science. If you can't accept it, don't play MMO exept if it is russian one.
Few days ago I met 2 russian noobs who barely speaked any english. With my poor russian and english I found out they were needing 3 bars of metal and 2 deer antlers. I help them to kill some animals and I gave them 3 iron bars. Knowing some english can make miracles and if you won't see out of your russian shell one time u will get in trouble and maybe even killed coz u don't know to comunnicate in english! It's world universal language. If Russia would be so developed as England was few centuries ago we would speak russian instead of english. But history wasn't like that so start learning. It's good for u and doesn't hurt exept ur national ego. Stop living in a time of cold war. It's GONE, we are ALL friends now.

P.S.: You want to talk? Hint: learn english first that goes for your villagers!

They play because they like this game !
Let me remind you, if Russian speaking countries wasn't so proud of themself and independent, all europe was speaking german, because nobody else could fight in such conditions... including "so developed as England". You are wrong insulting look and importance of languages, its right of everyone to choose what language to speak or not.

I hate language topics here, because its leads to national wars.

by Melgui » 24 Nov 2010, 16:45

I must admit that Koya is a charismatic guy and he's leaving his mark on the game, but it's hard to believe he controls AD at 100% The sad thing is when, time to time, some ADlings kill at random and everyone in AD close ranks even if is obvious that they didn't have any reason to do that, bearing shitty arguments.

This could be the himn for AD: NOBODY MOVES, NOBODY GET HURT (just because of the tittle, the rest has nothing to do with that)

There are no way to control any group of people by 100%. You can get 100% control only when you are talking about yourself. I just try my best to make fun for everybody didn't killing everybody around.

First nobody Ran away ... Your russian Guy just too much RP and say to not stand up ? What that do ? they will problably one shoot me if I run ...

And how to know somebody will come to speak with us ?They say thing in russian ( Was WTF ? )all the thing they did is Stand near us ans scout what we do (We thought that we still wanted to Steal the 2nd Wagon).. So that scared me and Rozn. So we ran away with a wagon and then they folow .

[DaMaGe]

this is getting ridiculous.... all of you are saying the same thing over and over and making each other mad.......

[DatOneGuy]

1 - Because they run away... If they stay at place, somebody who knows english will appear for discussion, if you run - you guilty in something.

Overgeneralization. There are so many reasons to run it's not funny, the same as there are so many reasons to go AFK. You have no reason and to say that "If you do X it means Y 100% of the time with no exceptions" is not only ignorant it's downright stupid.

2 - yes... it usual practice... melee agro, rangers take target and wait if target try to run away - KO.

Again, stupid. Run into this problem before, you attack first ask later, whether it's just 'holding' there or not, you're a click away from kililng them and you keep yourselves there whether the perosn stands a chance or not, in this casekilled someone for no reason. Furthermore broke the wagon for no reason, who benefits from that? No one. It seems that whenever you are gone a new thread pops up about how AD went on holiday killing someone, or went tracking scents they had no business tracking, such as my scents of me stealing things from a friend's Constantinople stand who quit, considering the fact that Sodom owns Constantinople and we track, this was highly out of order, and as I know you were already told they followed the same 'protocol' there, if they would have fired and killed someone or KO'd him, what do you think would have happened? They need to think.

3 - If you don't do anything stupid, you will have just a talk... Yes we are principal, if you will steal a boat at our land and we caught you, you need to get 300bricks or get killed... I think its very fair deal.

That's called extortion, but yes it's fair enough, the problem is this whole 'hostage negotiation' thing you do beforehand. Waiting to talk, you can do that anywhere, you know where they are if you have scents do you not? And if you don't have scents how do you know who it is? Point is, there's a way to get to them later, and other ways to talk, clearly there are many language barriers here as Rozn never stated that he was protected by Sodom which is where this problem you think comes into place, he also never threatened Xymop, but as you said they don't speak English. He said (after first asking about the wagon) that "There is stuff in there I got from Sodom and I would like it back", the fact that your guys jump on things without any facts at all is a problem, and it leads to situations like this.

5 - I'm leader, not a dictator, and people in AD - cityzens, not slaves, so they have their right to decide, and to choose what to do in such situations. I don't want to have 12 hour a day online to be always knowing whats going on, I'm not a slave here too. I have a life, I'm owning a few companies with 100+ workers, I just relax here from stressive work. Because problems here are solvable, always there are way to fix everything, always second chance, and all this is not awailable in real life.

I believe the problem here is in how these other people do their 'business', as you often hear of unprovoked settlements being raided with little to no proof they ever did anything wrong, typically settlements that many of us who are often on the forums have dealt with a bit and know good enough.

Aggroing and shooting people before asking question would scare anyone, so it's perfectly understandable that they tried to run. Sending a translator-less party to sort things out is just asking for misunderstanding. Executing without scents, and a different person from the one that didn't follow instructions is very rash. Basically, the whole operation was a fuck-up. Fuck-ups happen to everyone, but the important thing is to make amends and rethink your procedures to ensure it doesn't happen again.

Biggest problem is when the thing that creates the fuck up every time is common procedure and is never changed or questioned.

[Granger]

Koya, maybe you can mail your non-english speaking guys some standard translations, and explain to them how to type them in in latin characters?

Maybe something like:

I don't speak english, someone who can is on the way here. Please stay as you are so we don't feel provoked and accidently kill you like the last few guys.

?