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Re: RavenHOlm under attack

Postby sabinati » Fri May 07, 2010 5:24 am

name an mmo that has gone to shit because of "big groups 'history' of drama". is that a complete enough question for you?
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Re: RavenHOlm under attack

Postby Xanthic » Fri May 07, 2010 11:31 am

sabinati wrote:name an mmo that has gone to shit because of "big groups 'history' of drama". is that a complete enough question for you?


Not to jump in front of live fire or anything, but off-hand I remember playing "dogs of the seas" a random pirate MMO. During its second and fourth, (wasn't around for third), incarnations it was absolutely bruitalized between different clans who were still fighting from the first incarnation.

Made it a slaughter-ground where you took a side, or scrambled for scraps. Just saying, one example.

Maybe I misunderstood the question? No one raise a handgun... I've a wife and kid... or plan to... something like that... if I can get her to log off the damned game. :roll:
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Re: RavenHOlm under attack

Postby exewu » Fri May 07, 2010 12:05 pm

sabinati wrote:name an mmo that has gone to shit because of "big groups 'history' of drama". is that a complete enough question for you?


EVE turned to utter shit and lost a ton of people because of all the goon drama.

Oh wait, I'm doing it wrong aren't I?


Version without sarcasm: Big groups history and drama on forums creates a buzz about the game and draws new people in. I can't imagine how many people decided to start play EVE after the big heist or the BOB wars drama that got painted all over the internet.
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Re: RavenHOlm under attack

Postby Xanthic » Fri May 07, 2010 12:18 pm

Wasn't the point of the question to produce evidence of two large conflicting elements in an MMO negatively effecting the MMO?

Maybe I missed the point? Damnit.
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Re: RavenHOlm under attack

Postby exewu » Fri May 07, 2010 12:22 pm

Xanthic wrote:Wasn't the point of the question to produce evidence of two large conflicting elements in an MMO negatively effecting the MMO?

Maybe I missed the point? Damnit.


Well yes, you can't really name any because big drama between groups is usually a good thing for an MMO (as long as it doesn't stem from broken game mechanics obviously). Since you want your game to get as much exposure as possible and you want it to speak to people's imagination, and nothing is quite as interesting as some good old fashioned skull bashing.

edit: Sab is just being nice and uses a rethorical question instead of calling him an idiot to his face. ;)
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Re: RavenHOlm under attack

Postby Onionfighter » Fri May 07, 2010 12:38 pm

Xanthic wrote:Wasn't the point of the question to produce evidence of two large conflicting elements in an MMO negatively effecting the MMO?

Maybe I missed the point? Damnit.


That's what Sabinati was challenging DatOneGuy to do. He made the stupid comments, so he should back them up.

Ignoring the history in H&H is like to running blind through a minefield. Some people get away with doing it for a while, but that's just because they are lucky. Imagine you are building your homestead and a well armed stranger approaches and tells you he's your neighbor. How should you react? If you don't care about history and wait to see how this person behaves toward you, then you could be taken for all you have. Any animal can learn from its own mistakes, it's the special ones that learn from the mistakes of others.
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Re: RavenHOlm under attack

Postby sabinati » Fri May 07, 2010 1:29 pm

exewu wrote:edit: Sab is just being nice and uses a rethorical question instead of calling him an idiot to his face. ;)
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Re: RavenHOlm under attack

Postby DatOneGuy » Fri May 07, 2010 2:29 pm

sabinati wrote:name an mmo that has gone to shit because of "big groups 'history' of drama". is that a complete enough question for you?


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that's off the top of my head anyway
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Re: RavenHOlm under attack

Postby DatOneGuy » Fri May 07, 2010 2:37 pm

Onionfighter wrote:
Xanthic wrote:Wasn't the point of the question to produce evidence of two large conflicting elements in an MMO negatively effecting the MMO?

Maybe I missed the point? Damnit.


That's what Sabinati was challenging DatOneGuy to do. He made the stupid comments, so he should back them up.

Ignoring the history in H&H is like to running blind through a minefield. Some people get away with doing it for a while, but that's just because they are lucky. Imagine you are building your homestead and a well armed stranger approaches and tells you he's your neighbor. How should you react? If you don't care about history and wait to see how this person behaves toward you, then you could be taken for all you have. Any animal can learn from its own mistakes, it's the special ones that learn from the mistakes of others.

Better to ignore it and get a few months fun out of it than be succmumbed to loads of shitty drama and quit in a day.
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Re: RavenHOlm under attack

Postby burgingham » Fri May 07, 2010 2:44 pm

Drama is this games most essential fuel.
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