RavenHOlm under attack

[Lothaudus]

Pfftt... I would've been more impressed with a level 114 Spearman.

[springyb]

Hey look, you guys helped the game. There are soak values on buildings now.

[DatOneGuy]

Haahha I poop on you kid.

4)You're fucking retarded, of course. That's why they're fucking griefers. You didn't do anything for me to flame you, did you? No, I'm just having fun, because you get mad so easily~

Oh those delicious rage tears~

Rage "tears"...LOL Jeez, gotta love the 15 year old noob. This the only attention you can get from a girl?.."faggeeeet"..lol "Mad so easy"...lol
So you think that if a person just beat the shit out of you, stomped in your face and took 3 of your baby teeth home with them for kicks that they would have to be "mad" at you? They couldn't just do it because they thought you were an asshole who needed it or deserved it? Are you allowed to watch rated R movies? Or are you just that naive? You aren't old enough to grasp the concept that sometimes, some people, if shown often enough, will determine in a place like this that just really isn't anything else to do but bust on little lickers like you? They don't have to be mad or "raging" to do that ya know. They just have to be bored at the moment...lol In between laughing and raping H&H reviews on google and rest healing while kicking undead ass in Constantinople Palace with my lvl 112 spearman on Atlantica...I am also playing with you...lol As (quite obvious) playing the actual H&H game is rather idiotic and not exactly constructive use of your time or finger clicks...lol (not that this is much better BUT it at least is a bit more fun...lol)

>He compares this shit to real life
>He thinks getting his make pretend sandcastle stomped is the same as someone pulling out teeth

If oyu like that game more, then go play it brah. Otherwise, enjoy getting trolled. I hope you stay as young and stupid as you are now forever, it'll give griefers a reason to play.

Now go rebuild your piece of shit so someone can knock it down in a week.

Disclaimer: This is not how a normal person handles this situation, but retards can only handle retarded logic.

[Rhiannon]

[*]Jorb is apparently going to hell for it.

If you're a griefer: You can pop back instantly even if you're killed because apparently skills like MURDER at 100k LP a pop are easy to macro grind and obtain.

If you're a non-griefer: Getting Ranging (7,500k LP) takes months, years even!

It's always funny how the person who griefs can come back easily but the village they destroy apparently can never come back and re-building is a complete waste of time because "someone will just destroy it again". Meanwhile, a server reset and complete character wipe is all well and good and perfectly okay.

If you're talking about trading in large quantities, then this is a known problem that Jorb is working on. Hence the "Alpha" part of the game.

Also, a word of advice: Just because someone says they don't care, doesn't mean they're telling the truth. I guarantee you that killing this guy (via offline summoning of course, we're not retarded enough here to take stronger people out while they're online I hope) will give you lots of peace and joy and also mess him up for a while. And if he comes back, you kill him again and again and again. And if you find a village that's supporting him, you organise to wipe out that village just as Bottleneck did. And you show the world that no-one fucks with Ravenholm.

Try to be either a smartass or serious (the serious part is quite rare here and can throw off most people who are use to the opposite lowbrow shit) but not both in the same response.

To address the serious. You are wrong, greifers can come back a billion times easier than legit characters or villages because those people work at the total picture. They aren't just macroing 2 stats. They are lugging huge amounts of lumber/supplies for buildings, they are farming and increasing their crop Q, they rasing acros the board stats and attributes in effort to PLAY the damn game and build something legit and with pride. Most villages are only a few people. Not 50 robots who assign themselves 1 task and specialty. Losing a well rounded character is 1000 times more destrctive than a 2 stat murder alt and you very well know it. Grinding up 7500 for ranging means NOTHING when you also need the attributes to see and track not to mention fight or kill and scents last a very short time. If placed side by side the two issues ARE a complete waste of time as the one side can take months to do and 20 minutes to destory while the griefer can be killed, reborn and back to strength in a macro week. I've played this game just as long as you have and I've built and rebirthed and done hunters, farmers and jack of all trade characters. I've moved and restarted and rebuilt and everything else you have mentioned. Yet i've never once macroed or cheated. I KNOW how hard it is to build a nice village and make something and I also knoww how EASY it is to make macroed greifers because I've watched assholes do it on this game since I found it. The two sides do NOT compare in any way shape or form.

As for alpha...again...so you are gonna make a cake...you put the milk in the bowl and smell it SOUR...only a fucking MORON would then continue to add the flour, eggs, sugar ect and expect the cake to TASTE GOOD! The alpha shit is a laugh, you fix things and then move on. THAT is alpha. You don't play with new plants while a most simple foundational flaw attracts every griefer on the internet to fuck up your game. How exactly do you "test" a game that no one can ever really get far enough in (as a group of players) to actually SEE the game's potential? How do you test a world, trade, travel, economy. civilzation that is never allowed to fully be realized TO test in the first place? Not in 10+ months, from my old account to this one have I ever seen the world actually form as described in the advertisements for this game. All because of 1 simple foundational flaw. Alpha? "Alpha would have fixed that dumb shit within the first 6 months and worried about how to get their greifer nut later while still maintaing a playable game for realization of what it could be. You know, testing different approaches?

As for community assistance, Ive never seen it from anyone of those like yourself. Only from same styled peacenik players. If it were true it wouldn't have been a couple midrange players who took out the last 2 NE griefers. Sure I've seen claims but never seen it in action. Otherwise in 8 hours I think I would have seen all the mighty justice dealers all over greifed scenes like those last week and tonight. But listen?...crickets...and look...calm still air...LOL

[DatOneGuy]

You know nothing of game development. Your post proves that.

So please, don't try and act like you do, that analogy was terrible. Code doesn't go 'bad' (well it can, but not in the way milk does from simply sitting there, it's a different process). And this code isn't bad, your imagination is bad.

So when do we cut to the part where you quit yer' bitchin and go finish making your town?

I got a few people here who want to scavenge what's left of it, I'd rather know if you're gonna finally do something or just bitch and quit.

[Dataslycer]

Things I learned from this thread:
I guarantee you that killing this guy (via offline summoning of course, we're not retarded enough here to take stronger people out while they're online I hope) will give you lots of peace and joy and also mess him up for a while. And if he comes back, you kill him again and again and again. And if you find a village that's supporting him, you organise to wipe out that village just as Bottleneck did. And you show the world that no-one fucks with Ravenholm.

You almost make me want to go back again and do that.

[Rhiannon]

You know nothing of game development. Your post proves that.

So please, don't try and act like you do, that analogy was terrible. Code doesn't go 'bad' (well it can, but not in the way milk does from simply sitting there, it's a different process). And this code isn't bad, your imagination is bad.

So when do we cut to the part where you quit yer' bitchin and go finish making your town?

I got a few people here who want to scavenge what's left of it, I'd rather know if you're gonna finally do something or just bitch and quit.

You're not impressing anyone sweetie, it's funny for a sec but then it's kind of like a 13 year old in highschool throwing rocks to impress the senior boys in the hopes they will take him into the "cool crowd"..lol

As to your question, well, don't be a retard. Of course many, even I, find respect for people who try to push on. I've talked many out of quitting in the hopes things would improve over the last 10 months. Gave them the speeches, support, argued, debated, even had our hunters track and kill thier greifers in the 2nd world to get them some "justice" to get them to stay". Mainly becasue the thought of seeing an actual "world" of villages, trade, social interation, vending stands and market places, embassies and ALL that jazz you can think of when pondering the potential of an indepth sandbox...because it's quite thrilling and unique in the gaming world. But even I after a certain time have both understood, expected and even respected it when good gamers have moved on because after enough times even I would think them kind of daft and sadomasacistic (Stupid and self punishing) to act like an ant (with equal intelligence) and keep rebuilding on broken infested land. You, having claimed to only been here 2 weeks, couldn't possibly grasp that. Hell no matter who or what you are I doubt you are loyal enough to stay for very long anyway, once you get bored or find something else. Either way...no, of course after all this time I wouldn't be stupid enough to start again. It is as I said, a little bit on the stupid side no matter how much you love something, to beat a dead horse instead of burying it, if you know what I mean. The imbalance between the two "sides" if you will is just so huge...and yet so simple. Even blind loyalty has to give way to the fact that either this is the way they want it as greifers themselves, or are too stupid to fix it..lol Stick around long enough and you too may digest and ponder more mature questions about the situation as opposed to "fun trolling". Maybe as you age or you get more gaming experience in mmos. If you exclude the "friend lick clique" I think I've stuck it out a lot longer than most. Every day for over 10 months (not a single day missed) is pretty intense. In light of that I don't see it as giving up or giving in, I kind of see it more as "that tv is just broke okay, so buy a damn new one, ya never going to fix it no matter how much sentimental value it has"...LOL

[DatOneGuy]

You know nothing of game development. Your post proves that.

So please, don't try and act like you do, that analogy was terrible. Code doesn't go 'bad' (well it can, but not in the way milk does from simply sitting there, it's a different process). And this code isn't bad, your imagination is bad.

So when do we cut to the part where you quit yer' bitchin and go finish making your town?

I got a few people here who want to scavenge what's left of it, I'd rather know if you're gonna finally do something or just bitch and quit.

You're not impressing anyone sweetie, it's funny for a sec but then it's kind of like a 13 year old in highschool throwing rocks to impress the senior boys in the hopes they will take him into the "cool crowd"..lol

As to your question, well, don't be a retard. Of course many, even I, find respect for people who try to push on. I've talked many out of quitting in the hopes things would improve over the last 10 months. Gave them the speeches, support, argued, debated, even had our hunters track and kill thier greifers in the 2nd world to get them some "justice" to get them to stay". Mainly becasue the thought of seeing an actual "world" of villages, trade, social interation, vending stands and market places, embassies and ALL that jazz you can think of when pondering the potential of an indepth sandbox...because it's quite thrilling and unique in the gaming world. But even I after a certain time have both understood, expected and even respected it when good gamers have moved on because after enough times even I would think them kind of daft and sadomasacistic (Stupid and self punishing) to act like an ant (with equal intelligence) and keep rebuilding on broken infested land. You, having claimed to only been here 2 weeks, couldn't possibly grasp that. Hell no matter who or what you are I doubt you are loyal enough to stay for very long anyway, once you get bored or find something else. Either way...no, of course after all this time I wouldn't be stupid enough to start again. It is as I said, a little bit on the stupid side no matter how much you love something, to beat a dead horse instead of burying it, if you know what I mean. The imbalance between the two "sides" if you will is just so huge...and yet so simple. Even blind loyalty has to give way to the fact that either this is the way they want it as greifers themselves, or are too stupid to fix it..lol Stick around long enough and you too may digest and ponder more mature questions about the situation as opposed to "fun trolling". Maybe as you age or you get more gaming experience in mmos. If you exclude the "friend lick clique" I think I've stuck it out a lot longer than most. Every day for over 10 months (not a single day missed) is pretty intense. In light of that I don't see it as giving up or giving in, I kind of see it more as "that tv is just broke okay, so buy a damn new one, ya never going to fix it no matter how much sentimental value it has"...LOL

It's funny how you actually still think that I was really arguing with you and that I was trying to impress anyone.

The whole point of me 'trolling' you was for you understand how easy it is for you all to start raging and writing walltexts about things I can shove up my ass. It's pointless, does nothing but waste your time and make you look like an idiot. I instigated you, during no part of this thread was I being serious about you being such an idiot, although you've clearly proven it to be true to an extent since this is my third time explaining this.

If you stop making such a big deal about it, and also show that you don't take bullshit (zero tolerance policy is th eonly one worth having), you won't have so much shit. You want a big town, you better have a military, and you better be ready to take out anyone who fucks with you. A trading village is nice and all that but usually only works because they can call on the might of those they trade with in exchange for fortune. Your best bet is a personal army though.

[Lothaudus]

Try to be either a smartass or serious

I'm a serious smartass, what can I say.

To address the serious. You are wrong, greifers can come back a billion times easier than legit characters or villages

I'm sure your mother's told you a trillion times to never over-exaggerate.

because those people work at the total picture. They aren't just macroing 2 stats. They are lugging huge amounts of lumber/supplies for buildings, they are farming and increasing their crop Q, they rasing acros the board stats and attributes in effort to PLAY the damn game and build something legit and with pride.

You can pop-up a building in a couple of hours. A Mansion, with lag field planted, in a couple of days. A griefer will need to go back out hunting bears and eating their meat to get their Strength up again. A griefer will also need to get rings again (assuming their's were taken when he was summoned offline) which means trading or going to their supply village. Crop Q for the village is back almost instantly assuming you have alt-vaulted supplies (which should be done every other harvest). Failing that, talk to some of your trading partners. Hell, I ended up with Q80 seeds for planting Mansion straw at 'nople just because I asked some neighbours while they were harvesting their lagfield. And unless your entire village was online when it was attacked, there are probably a few people the griefier didn't kill. People who'll be able to help everyone else get back up to speed.

Time-wise, you should easily have your village back when he's got his Strength back. Particularly if, as has been mentioned, the crops weren't grief harvested. The time to come back there-fore becomes approximately the same for both. While they do have the advantage of most likely being full tradition, it's still a large pain for them to grind back to change, grind up skills again, then grind back to full tradition before they attack again.

I mean look, yes it sucks but it's not un-recoverable and certainly not a case of a billion times easier for the griefer. For all intents and purposes, being able to summon them while they're offline is a pretty big boon for the village in question and effectively guarantees death for the attacker. Like the griefer though, you are going to have to work at it and make a deliberate attempt to hunt them down and kill them.

Most villages are only a few people. Not 50 robots who assign themselves 1 task and specialty. Losing a well rounded character is 1000 times more destrctive than a 2 stat murder alt and you very well know it.

Well-rounded characters are shit. It's easier to get 5 skills up to 40 than it is to get 1 skill up to 100. And it's better to get 1 skill up to 100. Most melee / combat characters aim for at least 200, which is a lot of LP.

Grinding up 7500 for ranging means NOTHING when you also need the attributes to see and track not to mention fight or kill and scents last a very short time.

Summon killing while someone is offline == very low skill requirements.

If placed side by side the two issues ARE a complete waste of time as the one side can take months to do and 20 minutes to destory while the griefer can be killed, reborn and back to strength in a macro week.

He'd need a lot of STR FEP to one punch your walls again though and that, I suspect, takes a little longer. I'm also sure your farmers could be back to farming in a "macro week" too but macro's (or people who have the time to do nothing but wander around and kill bears all day) are an entirely separate issue. People who have more time to spend will always be at a greater advantage than those who play a lot less.

I've played this game just as long as you have and I've built and rebirthed and done hunters, farmers and jack of all trade characters. I've moved and restarted and rebuilt and everything else you have mentioned. Yet i've never once macroed or cheated. I KNOW how hard it is to build a nice village and make something and I also knoww how EASY it is to make macroed greifers because I've watched assholes do it on this game since I found it.

Then I assume you saw KlauE get killed five times in a row on the last map and to be left with nothing.

As for alpha...again...so you are gonna make a cake...you put the milk in the bowl and smell it SOUR...only a fucking MORON would then continue to add the flour, eggs, sugar ect and expect the cake to TASTE GOOD! The alpha shit is a laugh, you fix things and then move on. THAT is alpha.

See Announcement forum. Soak point increase for Mansions, Houses, Strong Boxes etc... That's Alpha.

As for community assistance, Ive never seen it from anyone of those like yourself. Only from same styled peacenik players. If it were true it wouldn't have been a couple midrange players who took out the last 2 NE griefers. Sure I've seen claims but never seen it in action. Otherwise in 8 hours I think I would have seen all the mighty justice dealers all over greifed scenes like those last week and tonight. But listen?...crickets...and look...calm still air...LOL

That's because rather than take the opportunity to make an appeal for help and make friends, you've pretty much pissed off every group who's capable of assisting you by attacking everyone as if you're the only person who's ever had their pixels destroyed. You talk about scents decaying. Well they don't decay so fast that some of the more experienced (and better equipped) fighters in the game couldn't pop-out to Ravenholm, grab scents and track your culprit down. It takes an hour to cross a super-grid without knowing the rivers. It takes 20 mins or less to cross one if you know where to cross. The thing is, you need to have good relations with those people.

[Rhiannon]

[If you stop making such a big deal about it, and also show that you don't take bullshit (zero tolerance policy is th eonly one worth having), you won't have so much shit. You want a big town, you better have a military, and you better be ready to take out anyone who fucks with you. A trading village is nice and all that but usually only works because they can call on the might of those they trade with in exchange for fortune. Your best bet is a personal army though.

And you are funny in that you actually think you are in a discussion. Dude you are "nothing" here, you aren't impressing, you aren't giving advice, you aren't even trolling correctly. You cannot even recognize when someone is just playing with your bait and giving you some attention. Neither your trolling nor your attempts at serious "advice" is even "really" disgested by me, and perhaps sorry to tell you, anyone else. You haven't spent neither the time nor the effort in the game to stand in "cool troll status" nor "Sage advisor". "Big deal" is for 2 week noobs. I know you think it sounds all logical and wisdom filled, I am sure your words , both in your head and on your text, sounds funny (when you troll) and wise (when you try to turn advisor). But truth is, it is irrelevant, you have no position to stand and certainly no experience to have anything you say, be it true, false, or muddled inbetween taken by anyone from a position of knowledge or personal understanding. You didn't "instigate" me, you got nothing from me but what I intentionally felt like giving and playing with you at the time...lol Why? Because you are a 2 week noob, you dont "really" know the game , you don't really know the history, personalities here or anything substantial. So MY advice to you, is chill, don't blaze in like a comet and trap yourself in a corner for future fool reference. Give your opinon, ask questions, get to know the scene. There's not a person here who has been here for more than a couple months that thinks you "instigated, baited or coerced me" into any kind of rage...lol Hell man, I'd do that for nothing if I felt like it. Ask Jak jak jaki-oooo...lol You asked a question and I answered it. Now you have a good time playing with your village and 10 months from now, I'll be happy to listen to your advice in a more serious manner...lol Which I would have done from the beginning, had I not felt at the time like playing with you for a bit, like the cute little growling puppy that you are....lol