Get better macro protection..?

[DatOneGuy]

So you'd rather the devs spend their time trying to make their game as macro-impossible as they can, or actually bringing out new content?

No game can ever be fully devoid of hacks, you just bring it to a point where people don't see the reason to try and get through it, and usually that means weekly updates to stop the new macro they just got working.

There are plenty of software/hardware macros that are COMPLETELY undetectable in any game short of the game looking to see if the DLLs/EXEs that are needed are running, and you can change that if the program is good enough.

I'd like to see macros gone, then I wouldn't feel as if I need to to stay caught up with certain other stronger players near me, but with or without there will be people who will get stronger faster, whether by means of sharing an account to keep the character strong, macroing, or hacking.

Look at any game with a lot of protection and tell me who loses out more, players, or cheaters?

[theTrav]

Jorb already said a while ago if they DID decide to go after macro-ers, it wouldn't be protection, it'd be punishment after the fact, using static analysis to detect them.


You leave your character for many hours doing the same actions repeatedly, it's going to be pretty obvious to any decent report

[Elirian]

So you'd rather the devs spend their time trying to make their game as macro-impossible as they can, or actually bringing out new content?

Definitely prefer quality over quantity. Not sure what the rest of your post is about so I won't respond to that. At this stage though, it's fully understandable that they're not too concerned, I'm simply speaking from the perspective of a player.

[Atherman]

I think macro protection is IMPERATIVE to a fair playing situation. I play a few hours a day, if someone can get done what I do in 5 minutes of actual gameplay a day then there is a serious problem. I know to many of you it's 'Oh I'll just cheat too!' but to allow something like botters to run rampant, cutting down hundreds of acres of forest for LP, is personally unacceptable.

Provide macro protection or new content? I pick macro protection hands down. Right now all my work, and any work anyone does with their actual mouse and hands, is for utterly and completely nothing. I hate thinking about how I'm wasting my time. While I grind 10 unarmed combat, a macro-er has grinded 100. Every night I go to sleep, any work I've done is out-done times a million by someone having their character running around chopping down trees.


Hacking/Macro-ing/Botting should be the number one issue of any and all MMOs.
My suggestion? A simple window that pops up every now and then that has four different colored buttons, like a simon says, and some text that says "Push Green" or "Push Red" It would take a mili-second for a real player to click and continue playing, but extremely difficult for a bot. And if you don't do it, you either can't move or get logged out or something along those lines.

[Avu]

Newsflash your so called work is for nothing macro or not.

Also I'm still waiting for an actual rule that says don't macro it's evil after that you can talk about punishment and protection and whatever.

P.S. Show me one of these tree cutting macros lol. Also tell me how exactly do they deal with bears and boars... I have a suspicion many of your are just talking out of their asses.

[Elirian]

Newsflash your so called work is for nothing macro or not.

Also I'm still waiting for an actual rule that says don't macro it's evil after that you can talk about punishment and protection and whatever.

P.S. Show me one of these tree cutting macros lol. Also tell me how exactly do they deal with bears and boars... I have a suspicion many of your are just talking out of their asses.

No there isn't a rule, and that's fine for a game that's still in development. In fact, it's helpful for people to be a bit more open about it so that the devs can see what methods people would be using in a live situation.

In situations where rules do exist, they exist because people who prefer to actually play the game like to remain competitive with those who prefer to let a bot play it for them. It's a lot easier to attract players when they don't feel like they have to write programs to play while they are asleep.

[jorb]

I have a suspicion many of your are just talking out of their asses.

This.

[Atherman]

Ignoring an obvious problem should never be a choice willingly made. Especially when the resolution is so gosh darn easy to implement.




Saying that there are no macros is an extremely limited statement in my opinion. Any and all MMOs that don't implement any sort of anti-bot measures have auto-macros. It's not a question of if H&H has them or not because so many people have openly admitted to using them. It's a matter of leveling the playing field around actual game play and not botfests.

[Atherman]

Has it impacted you personally?

I don't like the idea of people using macros either, but I'd prefer the dev's weren't distracted trying to stomp it out just because you heard some stuff on a forum and felt uncomfortable with the idea that people might be doing that.

It can impact anyone of us at any time. Any time you have a conflict with someone that has abused macros you are at a serious disadvantage. While you might have grinded out 80 unarmed, they'll have 200 or 300. You constantly hear about entire villages falling to incredibly over-powered single characters. Is that level of abuse affecting game play? And before you say 'Well they could have grinded all that LP themselves." Of course they could have, but did they? They'd be stupid to and we have a lot of decently smart people around here.

[Elirian]

2-3 days ago on irc someone was talking about his silkbot. His entire silk production process is automated on a second account, leaving him free to do as he wishes while still collecting silk. Other things he may choose to do could include say... grinding up his combat stats.

I'm not saying that's an issue, but it certainly seems like an issue for Jorb to be claiming that people are talking out their asses when others are openly admitting using bots. Fine to say it's not a problem, but to deny it even happens?