Please don't do this

[ChildhoodObesity]

And to be clear, its not like i said "stupid ass mother fucking retarded lump of shit you took to long" i said "fucker i coulda been done this a while ago" or something like that.

I see no difference

Wow really.. i do? you okay bro? try reading it again.

still offensive nonetheless

[Jazminekhan]

And to be clear, its not like i said "stupid ass mother fucking retarded lump of shit you took to long" i said "fucker i coulda been done this a while ago" or something like that.

I see no difference [/quote]
Wow really.. i do? you okay bro? try reading it again.[/quote]
still offensive nonetheless[/quote]

still offensive... just not AS offensive

[Eemerald]

painhertz isn't a total douche to people for totally unnecessary things.

I find it kinda sad when someone starts a trade thread and it literally takes 4 pages before a shitstorm occurs. So many people have traded on these forums, and apart from a few trades going wrong with traders who aren't well known or trusted, never has something spiralled to such a degree.

And Jazmine I know some people sided with you initially, and having traded before I know how annoying delays or miscommunication can be, but your behaviour and responses were to be honest, disgusting. If you want to trade with English speaking only customers then make it clear on your thread, and save all those customers who don't have English as a first language the aggro of dealing with you.
Miscommunication can happen at any point, and I find it amazing when non English speakers make such an effort to deal with us English speakers in order to buy items or sell items. It isn't easy to communicate to English for everyone, same as i'm sure you find difficulty communicating in a foreign language you don't really practice on a daily basis and it isn't your mother tongue. You could have easily been polite and asked them to explain, or repeat, or ask to speak to someone else int he town whose English was a little better. Instead you go awol and bat shit crazy as the poor girl trying to make the effort to talk to you.

And seriously, if you get pissy over someone not oathing you quickly for something which ultimately BENEFITS you, since you're the one getting the higher q bear cape, then you seriously wont hack being a trader. You can spend literally hours just on a couple of trades with people because of any of the following reasons:
- Ls or chieftan not being online
- Incomplete payment
- Trade alt with hf they cant destroy
- Forgetting payment
- Lag
and many more reason I'm sure, and its not to say those things aren't annoying, but the majority of people don't do it on purpose to be annoying, these are genuine issues that happen in trade, and as a trader to keep your business going and to get a good reputation you are patient, respectful and polite. Three things you seem to have entirely missed in your trade with this group of people. Even when they asked you to leave, you refuse, just to piss them off more so they'd losing authority...like wtf?! and the insults on nuking Russian....jeez...like words just left me reading that crap.
Their response to you was uncalled for too, but heck, I think i'd have probably gone all out on insults too if you tried half of that with me.

being genuine about your apology would have helped you more. all you did was make yourself a focus for a lot of unwanted attention for some time, especially since you're doing the hard woman act of supposedly not giving a shit. when you constantly attacked for people who are bored looking for targets to have fun with, it wont be easy to not give a shit sadly. I do hope they don't waste their time doing so, and I hope that at least some people may still want your business idea, cause I initially liked it, it was original, new, it saves some towns and people a lot of time and energy. but no one would want to oath someone who'd be that rude over something so petty.

who knows. just my view anyway, take from it what you will.

Okay to start off.

The relationship between me and caz and raven is not via forums. i know caz from the city of brodgar and the brodgar active members skype group. Which sadly also hosted people who were not active members of the city, for instance, raven. Instead actually this brodgar only skype group hosted several individuals from Buff's city and other ones too. Just people who do cheap trades with the brodgar noobs. My relationship with raven was on a steady incline of anger for weeks. Me occasionally letting it out a bit with a small poke or jab at her calling her dumb based on her english skills. (May i also add that i thought she was a boy until this morning?) Either way, rising pressures and me having been up all night last night and tired from doing various jobs had me irritated already. and the lack in communication with someone who is from a village i do DAILY TRADES WITH pissed me off more. And to be clear, its not like i said "stupid ass mother fucking retarded lump of shit you took to long" i said "fucker i coulda been done this a while ago" or something like that. Fucker was the word i used. And Raven's response to cancel the trade over that one comment was totally ridiculous. A complete overreaction in my opinion. Me, being the sleep deprived agitated now angry person i am got even more upset at this because i just wanted to get rid of the fucking bear. I didnt care about the cape. but since a good trader wasnt on and i was too tired from the 50+ oaths i did that night to trade with someone else i was determined to give it to people i already knew. how this blew up from there you can happily see in the chat logs.
Here i was, already tired, already frustrated and now really agitated having to hear im gonna have to either apologize or fight. so i chose the energy provoking one because i needed to relieve some stress anyways.
Raven just up and cancelling the trade was totally uncalled for.
Me refusing to leave was a bitch move i'll agree. but again and again i will say this. 50k auth lost from exiling me isnt bad when i know your village members probably rack in that much LP in an hour. It woulda been a lot more simple to just do that?
from there on everone seems to know the story but i thought i would clarify the stem of it.

Yes fault is on my for being agitated already and overreacting. but seriously? exile me bro. no need to make this such a huge thing causing in reputation loss, new enemies, attacks on my village, and a fucking RAID.

Really, I think you missed my important points. If you want to trade, using your tiredness or whatever else as an excuse just doesn't work. When you trade you put up with shit and hold back your own regular emotions, or at least you're polite about it even if you decide to share it.

And I get that everyone at some point gets irritated and annoyed, and there's some people who will rub you the wrong way or who you just can't deal with in a nice way, but again..trading makes you need to put up with everyone including those you think are assholes. Trading is like a sacred thing in haven, if you trade and do a great job, you'll be respected and people will come back to you and rave about you. the moment you do something wrong, and sadly you did so in that chat log many things wrong which I highlighted, then people will bring it up and will cause your reputation to dwindle. And most players feel theyre doing the community a service when they share their experiences with traders and towns, and individuals who are recognised on the forums, so others know to watch their step.

If you could knock down a Russian player for lack of communication cause they don't speak English, how much of the playerbase do you think you currently pissed off for that? why would someone whose language isn't English even bother trading with you when they can see plainly you have an issue with those who don't speak the same language you do fluently?

eitherway, like I said, badly played, and I hope it resolves itself, but id recommend you quit igniting it. good luck.

[Jazminekhan]

meh... fires been lit... im just enjoying the warmth

[Eemerald]

no you're just pissing more and more people off. and I honestly don't believe that anyone regardless of what front they put up would want the constant negativity being strewn at them. even you.

[TAvish]

[bmjclark]

painhertz isn't a total douche to people for totally unnecessary things.

[Eemerald]

RJ ...shush!

[rye130]

Thats JC though!

[Eemerald]

oops...clark..shush

I always assume its rj...hes the trouble maker