Muslim extreamists even affect haven and hearth

[NOOBY93]

I don't understand why symbols are taken so seriously.

+1 The day symbols and religion mean nothing, is the day the world will be a better place. Obviously there will still be murderers, but there won't be good people murdering for stupid shit like the Quran.

that won't happen, can't make that happen anyway
people who get offended by symbols are the most stubborn kind of people
Also nobody seems to mention how the world has progressed ever since people don't kill non-believers and scientists

[whiskeypete]

dalai lama agrees with you? lol you dont even know how practical or convenient buddhism is to co-exist with others.
science also takes belief system. religion is also pursuit of "truth".

You don't know what I do or do not know.

The Dalai Lamas quote demonstrates that scientific evidence supersedes religious belief, according to him. He was never quoted as saying the same of a Christian or Muslim belief, that would be as ridiculous as this thread.

Christianity is a religion. Scientology is a religion. Quantum Buddhism is a religion, based on science. Science is a process, cars are automobiles, and peanut butter is a yummy food spread. I could start a religion based on peanut butter, but that does not make peanut butter a religion, it would still be a yummy food spread.

Religion gives lipservice to "truth" the same way propaganda does, both claim lies as truths, with no evidence. Science is borne of hard FACT, repeatable, and predictable.

[overtyped]

that won't happen, can't make that happen anyway
people who get offended by symbols are the most stubborn kind of people

You are wrong, look at secular countries like japan, they have the least religion, and they have next to no crime.

[Amanda44]

Science is borne of hard FACT, repeatable, and predictable.

There is a reason I didn't come back at Tonky with that argument, I thought about it and I almost did, but if you truely understood science you would understand why I didn't.

@ Nooby, trust me and pls stop posting.

[NOOBY93]

Science is borne of hard FACT, repeatable, and predictable.

but if you truely understood science you would understand why I didn't.

This always gets me.
I don't understand how people don't realize saying something like that is like saying
"If you truly understood science, like me, you would understand why I did/said x, but you'll never get on my level."
If you're feeling like you understand science more than him, explain it to him, don't be a smartass like that.

[Foetuses]

Science is borne of hard FACT, repeatable, and predictable.

This whole thread is stupid, but I feel AAmanda's non-answer wasn't very satisfying. Science is not "hard FACT". If it were hard fact, it wouldn't be science. Science changes as our understanding of the universe does. Scientists will never be able to tell you how something works exactly, they'll only be able to tell you what model agrees with the experimental results, and models are just human concepts used to better-understand reality.

To put it another way, the Greeks once believed that gods were responsible for various natural events, because they didn't, couldn't, understand how they happened. Their models for explaining these things were primitive, but to the average Greek citizen it was 'fact'. Then when along came philosophers and scientists after a long while who challenged those beliefs, we discovered new models and ways of explaining these natural occurrences. To us, now, these explanations are 'fact'. And in two hundred years, men may again challenge our models for understanding and learn even more about these events. To them, it will be 'fact'. To us, it's incomprehensible, and impossible to predict. If science was about hard facts, we'd still believe flies grew out of meat if it set out too long.

[Amanda44]

Actually I wasn't trying to be a smartass, but I get how it sounds that way - I just didn't really want to be in the discussion anymore and sort of hoped he would understand what I was saying.

I'll just take my own advice and stop posting in here.

[btaylor]

that won't happen, can't make that happen anyway
people who get offended by symbols are the most stubborn kind of people

You are wrong, look at secular countries like japan, they have the least religion, and they have next to no crime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimabara_Rebellion

[overtyped]

that won't happen, can't make that happen anyway
people who get offended by symbols are the most stubborn kind of people

You are wrong, look at secular countries like japan, they have the least religion, and they have next to no crime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimabara_Rebellion

you do realize that rebellion was like 700 years ago

[NOOBY93]

that won't happen, can't make that happen anyway
people who get offended by symbols are the most stubborn kind of people

You are wrong, look at secular countries like japan, they have the least religion, and they have next to no crime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimabara_Rebellion

To be fair that was 80 yrs ago
*ninja'd