Basic "How Do I" of Haven&Hearth.

[Grog]

same with criticizing burgingham+sabinati

if you call me a troll - well, thats your opinion
if you call people a troll who actually help newbs and pointing on your bunch of unordered and unhelpful crap - well, thats bad
but if you call those, who want to help YOU trolls - then your a stupid dumbass

[Wipfmetz]

Promise me to never change.

[rye130]

Basic "How do I"'s and things that are good to know as a beginner of H&H
Should I get the skill "Swimming"? No! Swimming is broken and/or unreasonably insane and chances are you will end up killing your character in the water if you do get it.

What is a Macroer? They use bots that automatically do things for them while they aren't even at the computer.

What is a griever/griefer? They're basically similar to macroers but instead of using a bot to exploit the game, they use in-game mechanics to exploit the game.

What is Quality or "Q"? The better the "Q/Quality" the better the materials you can make with them.

How Do I chop trees? You make an axe with stone and branches. Should be able to move your mouse over the different things you can do at the bottom-right and one will pop up saying "Craft". Then you get the skill, lumberjacking. Then look for the Tools button which should be fairly easy to spot. Then look for the stone axe and click it. There it'll tell you how to make an axe. I mentioned the supplies required above.

How do I get seeds? Generally you look for WWW's that in my opinion. They look like little feathers. You need generally at least 15 exploring to find them fairly commonly. You can pick them by right-clicking on them and clicking the only option provided to you by doing so. You can hang them on Drying Frames and/or herbalist tables. Herbalist Tables are generally better as it takes a LOT less time for them to dry and turn into seeds then. In fact in Herbalist tables it'll take hours as opposed to a Drying frame where it'll take I believe it was over a day long.

What seeds are implemented in the game already? Carrot, Tea, Hemp, Flax, Wheat, Tobacco, Onion, and PeaPods. I'm sure I forgot to mention at least a few. these are the one's that I could remember off the top of my head.

How do I get higher Q water/clay/sand? This is area-based. Certain areas have high Q's while others do not. Generally the more you use up a certain area the Q will lower but eventually go back up again if you wait long enough.

How do I farm? Well, this is simple. Make a plow. Plow a plot. Click the seed and drop it there. by left clicking the seed and right-clicking the plowed spot you want to plant the seed at. Depending on the seed it can take anywhere from 1-2 IRL days. Or something like that.

How do I make a mine? Prospecting skill and Rustroot Extract. I'll add more details to this later.

How do I protect my village?
-Make sure you build a solid village structure. What I mean by this is making sure you recruit the right types of villagers. Sometimes they have alterior motives while others simply might be dedicated to the point of getting on maybe one hour a week. Obviously that'll put major strain on your village.
-Build it in an Isolated area. This way Raiders whether they be actual players with true non-exploited combat skills or Macroers won't be able to find your base as easy. What I mean by an "Isolated area" is an area not anywhere near any sort of water. The further away you are from water, the better. Preferably a spot not being able to be seen from the boat they're in.
-Get your combat skills up. Although they're pointless when you're fighting macroers you will definitely benefit by getting them up. Combat Skills like INT/STR are very important as well as others depending on which combat skills you decide to use.
-Find mines or trade for valuable metals to get better equipment. This is a VERY important aspect to protecting your village. You can significantly boost the damage you do by the equips you wear. Not only that but you can protect yourself about 1000x better.
-Building palisade or a brick wall. Obviously surrounding your base with walls is one of the most effective ways to protect yourself against various raiders. Make sure also to LOCK your cornerposts. Otherwise people will grief you. See my definition of a griefer below.

Most Effective Ways to get LP
-Most people seem to agree that obtaining the "Pottery" skill is the best source for getting beginning LP as a total beginner.
-Bucket-making in my opinion is the 2nd best way to get LP for beginners or "nomads".

Feel free to add your own to help people out. I'll be slowly adding to this as time goes on & I have the spare minute to do so.

I agree with all the previous posts that say that this guide is useless and does more harm then good and if its a work in progress it definitely shouldn't have been posted this early in it's "progress". But if these thread isn't going to be deleted/moved, I might as well point out some of the more serious errors to help make a little less damaging to new players.

1. Grievers don't just abuse ingame mechanics to exploit the game, they use ingame mechanics to abuse/grieve (hence why they are called grievers) other players. This includes things such as needlessly clear-cutting peoples forests, walling people in, destroying containers and leaving the stuff inside to decay, and many other acts that will not benefit the griever at all (or very little) but will instead needlessly damage the player being grieved.

2. You said what quality does, not what quality is. Use examples of formulas of making items that are known to help show the effect of quality instead of just saying better quality means better items. That means very little to an inexperienced player. I would also recommend trying to summarize the information that the wiki page has as it seems to cover it very well. http://havenandhearth.wikia.com/wiki/Quality

3. You explanation of how to chop down a tree is absolutely terrible, I don't even know how to start to fix it so I'll just re-write that section for you. How to cut down a tree: To cut down a tree one needs the skill lumberjacking. To learn the skill lumberjacking you need 200 LP (short for Learning-Points). You gain learning points from basically any task you do such as collecting branches or building fires (for more info see The How To's of LP section). Once you have lumberjacking (you need to cover how to learn skills in another section) you need to craft a stone axe. To do so look in the bottom right corner of your screen and you should see a 4 by 4 grid. There should be four buttons on the top row of that grid and if you hover your mouse over each one it should put up with the label of what that menu contains. Look for the one labeled Craft, which should be the farthest to the right, and click on it. The 4 by 4 grid should change to contain different buttons. Now look for the one that says tools and click on that. It, once again, should change the 4x4 grid. Now look for the button labeled stone axe and click it (alternatively one could press the C key, then the T key, then the X key on the keyboard to navigate through those menu's). Now in the lower middle section where the text box normal it is a crafting window should appear. It tells you that you need to Input a branch and a stone to Result in a stone axe. To obtain a branch you need to find a tree, right click it, and then left click the Take Branch button. To obtain a stone you need to find a stone boulder (link the picture on the wiki http://havenandhearth.wikia.com/wiki/Stone_Boulder) right click on it and left click the button that says Chip Stone. After having both your branch and your stone click the craft button in the stone axe crafting screen that we brought up previously. Now that you have your stone ax equip it. Now onto the fun part, cutting the tree. Find any tree and right click it. A button that says chop should appear, left click it and you will begin to cut down the tree. A bar will pop up and once the bar is filled completely, the tree will be chopped down resulting in a stomp, 1-3 logs, and a bit of LP. Congratulations on your first lumberjacking experience. /end section As you can see I went quite in depth with my explanation of a simple concept, but its better to have too much information and have the reader absolutely sure about what they are doing then to have to little and make the reader still needing to ask for help.

4. This section is pretty bad too. This is another section that needs completely rewrite though I will not do it this time. Contain lots of information that, although it might seem tedious and unnecessary to us, will accurately and completely tell the reader what they need to know.

5. You closing statement is a huge no-no. If you are righting a guide trying to inform players you better be damn sure about you information and a statement like "Or something like that" is a massive mistake as it will make your reader feel like they are learning from an idiot (which in your case might be true). Also, in this section although you do describe every step you take you should add details into what each step is doing such as. "Left click the seed in your inventory to pick it up, then right click the plowed spot to plant it. Many items can interact with other items, or the environment by picking them up and right clicking on other things." Statements like the one I made in the last sentence are also useful to help the players understand the game better.

6. Atleast link the wiki page about mining instead of just saying 4 words about the topic as that doesn't really help anyone.

7. Like stated previously Avu's guide on village defense should be used with his permission.

8. Don't just say the methods for LP making, no new player will have any clue what you are talking about, explain how you do it. You just say get pottery to get LP. What do you need the pottery skill to do? How do you use it? How much LP do you think you can get from it?

All in all its a terrible guide, make a lot of changes (and I mean a ton) and it might be helpful. If this post is going to be here you absolutely need to make some changes soon so it doesn't screw over new players too bad.

[rye130]

"Basic "How do I" Guide" <> mentioning Brick walls

Just Don`t.

Oh Jees, this is so BAD.

How to get seeds: "bla bla, better put them on a herbalist table, its soo much faster, allthough i have obviously no idea that you CANT BUILD THEM WITHOUT PLANTFIBRES, also, i have no IDEA HOW LONG DRYING TAKES ALLTHOUGH ITS LIKE MENTIONED IN EVERY SECOND THREAD HERE AND IN THE WIKI"

What's wrong with a "How Do I" guide mentioning brick walls? It's not too hard to make them if you have at least some brain power and good trade partners. Neither of which you have. However, in the guide I only barely mentioned them and the fact that

lolnub.

http://havenandhearth.wikia.com/wiki/String

Spindly Taproot is fairly easy to find in wilderness with a little exploring levels. a group of 2-3 people spread out could probably have enough for their first herb table in the first day or 2nd day of playing depending on how much they play. Unless this was changed although I wouldn't see why this would be changed. It's not that hard to obtain a herb table unless you're in fact, a complete nub which based on the caps and anger over a thread i would label you as a Troll Nub.

and lol. Because I didn't put the exact times in you're flipping out like a fiveyearold? bahahha.

Haa, thank you troll guys. You're only giving my thread more attention by responding thus actually making it more popular and i'm nowhere near finished yet.

unless you find one in a old ruins almost competetly destoryed

See above? annnd. Don't be swayed by misinformed and uneducated nublets.

Edit: Apparently spindly taproot can no longer be put into herb tables. When did this happen? Does Spindly taproot even have a purpose anymore...?

Either way, It's still fairly easy to obtain flax/hemp even as a beginner.

Sorry for the double post, but I personally feel you should abandon this project if you thought spindly taproot could be used as plant fiber. I know for sure that since world two you could only use plant fiber for a herbalist table. Yes, you can use spindly taproot as string and yes you can use plant fiber as string but the recipe's always required plant fiber and like 7 people told you that. You said you were open to criticism but that seems to be untrue considering a bunch of people corrected you before you looked into it.

Taproot can be found within less than an hour of playing if you've ever played the game before and in no way would it take a group of players more than like 2 hours to find 8 of them. Also, there use has always basically been string for new players

[ViciousGamer04]

Well perhaps my Herb tables were glitched as I built numerous one's in World 3 out of Spindly Taproot. i also never really recalled stating a time-frame in which it would take. I might have, though. It really depends on the "player" for one player it could take hours where as for another it might take 20-30 minutes. Or even 10-15. I wouldn't be surprised. Afterall, i havee built some wacky stuff out of things that clearly wouldn't make sense to build them out of. I'm not sure how it makes it a useless guide because I based my guide off of in-game experiences. In fact if you minus all the macro hours that a lot of "pro" players use I probably surpassed them well beyond hours of game-play a while ago.

It's not really criticism when they say, "lol sucks" but can't reference a particular point where it "sucks". Saying the "whole guide sucks" isn't really a reference point and which also means they can't pick out one particular area. So far other then your recent post which I haven't read over yet seems to be a potential "critique" of the actual thread. Either way. Loving the exposure. Only helping more new people to to learn the game while posting here as you guys keep bumping it up to the top.

P.S. I did a quick skim for now and no nub in their right mind would want to read THAT much detail all to learn how to make a stone axe & chop wood. I think you're thinking people want to spend hours reading guides. My guide is made as a quick simple basic reference for nubs. If they need THAT much detail there is something seriously wrong with them. You're making it sound like Lumberjacking is a complicated process when quite simply, it's not. Also. I simplified quality. If you give people everything up front about the game it sort of slowly takes out the point of playing the game. I bet you're extremly bad at the dating scene, eh? Another thing is. Do you know the definition of "exploit"? Lol. I don't want to use a troll's(Avu) post to reference at all. I figure if he goes around spamming the likelihood that he has any good "non-troll" advice would be a suprise to me. If you need an explanation on how to use a "POTTERY" skill there is something wrong with you. I'll make you happy though. I'll say. Dig in water. Use clay to make clay stuff. Kiln plx. Most amusing thing about this is telling me how "useless" the thread is but yet apparently the real uselessness is nonsensical word usages that you used like, "righting".

Bottomline is sounding too much like a robot & writing bulky text walls of information for things as simple as lumberjacking/making an axe never works out. This would be a very silly tactic to do.

It's about as bright as writing a full-fledged "comprehensive" guide on something as simple as combat. Oh waiiiitttt. Hahahhaha. Burrrnnnn. Perhaps next we should write a comprehensive guide on how to pick fruit off a tree?

Well anyways. I guess I should commend you. You're the only one in this thread other then guys with brief troll comments that actually attempted to contibute and give criticism to the thread

[DatOneGuy]

Look at jackards guide to see how it is done, even if it is only for the structure.

edit: Just one example that comes to mind. Why the fuck don't you post avus guide on how to defend towns when you mention that topic?

"Basic "How do I" Guide" <> mentioning Brick walls

Just Don`t.

Oh Jees, this is so BAD.

How to get seeds: "bla bla, better put them on a herbalist table, its soo much faster, allthough i have obviously no idea that you CANT BUILD THEM WITHOUT PLANTFIBRES, also, i have no IDEA HOW LONG DRYING TAKES ALLTHOUGH ITS LIKE MENTIONED IN EVERY SECOND THREAD HERE AND IN THE WIKI"

the reason the experienced players are saying this guide sucks is because it does. hard. rambling incoherent drivel, incomplete information (seriously if you can't name every type of seed why are you making a guide?), and just plain wrong stuff (pottery for LP? taproots for an herb table?)

there is a reason i moved the last thread to hel, it was poorly written and offered very little in advice to a new player and actually had more wrong information than useful information.

PLEASE ViciousGamer. Learn to read the goddamn comments before you dismiss them as trolling (Yes I'm so humble I skipped my own post!). You should be flogged if you continue down this path of trolling newbies with bad information, and making threads to be the 'victim' purposefully knowing how bad what you're doing is, yet continuing.

[Avu]

Why do you people keep feeding the troll?

[Dataslycer]

It really depends on the "player" for one player it could take hours where as for another it might take 20-30 minutes. Or even 10-15.

Under normal circumstances without crash or rollback or some weird timeframe data corruption, it will always take the same amount of time. 8 game hours for herbalist table, 2 days for drying rack.

In fact if you minus all the macro hours that a lot of "pro" players use I probably surpassed them well beyond hours of game-play a while ago.

I bet you're extremly bad at the dating scene, eh? Another thing is. Do you know the definition of "exploit"? Lol. I don't want to use a troll's(Avu) post to reference at all. I figure if he goes around spamming the likelihood that he has any good "non-troll" advice would be a suprise to me. If you need an explanation on how to use a "POTTERY" skill there is something wrong with you. I'll make you happy though. I'll say. Dig in water. Use clay to make clay stuff. Kiln plx. Most amusing thing about this is telling me how "useless" the thread is but yet apparently the real uselessness is nonsensical word usages that you used like, "righting".

It's about as bright as writing a full-fledged "comprehensive" guide on something as simple as combat. Oh waiiiitttt. Hahahhaha. Burrrnnnn. Perhaps next we should write a comprehensive guide on how to pick fruit off a tree?

I did a quick skim for now and no nub in their right mind would want to read THAT much detail all to learn how to make a stone axe & chop wood. I think you're thinking people want to spend hours reading guides. My guide is made as a quick simple basic reference for nubs. If they need THAT much detail there is something seriously wrong with them

I pulled out these from the quote. This pretty much s giving the impression of other people and reader than you are an arrogant jerk. How are you going to teach newbies in this fashion? With this imagery, your credentials gets shot down.

Bottomline is sounding too much like a robot & writing bulky text walls of information for things as simple as lumberjacking/making an axe never works out. This would be a very silly tactic to do.

It is not hard to make a concise guide with a small amount of words.


And one final set of things to say, your response to others, your attitude, and precise and concise detail, it means a lot to your credential as a guide maker. You need a lot of experience not only in-game to write a guide but as well as communicating with others and empathetically knowing reading it as a newbie as well. Otherwise you're simply going to make them go "huh? What is this guy talking about?" .

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[ViciousGamer04]

It really depends on the "player" for one player it could take hours where as for another it might take 20-30 minutes. Or even 10-15.

Under normal circumstances without crash or rollback or some weird timeframe data corruption, it will always take the same amount of time. 8 game hours for herbalist table, 2 days for drying rack.

In fact if you minus all the macro hours that a lot of "pro" players use I probably surpassed them well beyond hours of game-play a while ago.

I bet you're extremly bad at the dating scene, eh? Another thing is. Do you know the definition of "exploit"? Lol. I don't want to use a troll's(Avu) post to reference at all. I figure if he goes around spamming the likelihood that he has any good "non-troll" advice would be a suprise to me. If you need an explanation on how to use a "POTTERY" skill there is something wrong with you. I'll make you happy though. I'll say. Dig in water. Use clay to make clay stuff. Kiln plx. Most amusing thing about this is telling me how "useless" the thread is but yet apparently the real uselessness is nonsensical word usages that you used like, "righting".

It's about as bright as writing a full-fledged "comprehensive" guide on something as simple as combat. Oh waiiiitttt. Hahahhaha. Burrrnnnn. Perhaps next we should write a comprehensive guide on how to pick fruit off a tree?

I did a quick skim for now and no nub in their right mind would want to read THAT much detail all to learn how to make a stone axe & chop wood. I think you're thinking people want to spend hours reading guides. My guide is made as a quick simple basic reference for nubs. If they need THAT much detail there is something seriously wrong with them

I pulled out these from the quote. This pretty much s giving the impression of other people and reader than you are an arrogant jerk. How are you going to teach newbies in this fashion? With this imagery, your credentials gets shot down.

Bottomline is sounding too much like a robot & writing bulky text walls of information for things as simple as lumberjacking/making an axe never works out. This would be a very silly tactic to do.

It is not hard to make a concise guide with a small amount of words.


And one final set of things to say, your response to others, your attitude, and precise and concise detail, it means a lot to your credential as a guide maker. You need a lot of experience not only in-game to write a guide but as well as communicating with others and empathetically knowing reading it as a newbie as well. Otherwise you're simply going to make them go "huh? What is this guy talking about?" .

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I think you're confusing arrogant with articulate and confident. It's alright, it happens to most.

Why do you people keep feeding the troll?

Oh, thanks. It makes me feel pretty good that you think of me as "people" and the "troll" as one big bad monster, plx.

Considering they were the original trolls, not me. It's funny. Troll's are always blinded by other troll's and label themselves as the "norm". It amuses me every time!

Anyways. I'm done feeding the "troll". From now on i'm only responding to real critique. Perhaps re-making this thread once again just to weed out the trolls. If you want to troll further please ask me when i'm ordering my burger and fries through a fast food joint from you, while you're shining my shoes, or perhaps while you're working as a maid cleaning my house. Or I suppose it's feasible that you might end up as some other type of grunt worker basically living to serve me. Now this is being arrogant. See the difference?

[tristamizumi]

You know, as a "new player" (I started playing just under two weeks ago), I'm going to have to side with all the "veterans" who are saying this guide is quite useless. Nothing you discussed in this guide would have been of any use to me on learning how to play, the whos, whats, whens, wheres, hows, and whys of the game mechanics (ie. all the stuff you think is garbage and shouldn't be explained). Five minutes in the wiki would give new players larger quantities of more accurate information.

On top of that, your arrogant "I'm always right and anyone who disagrees is trolling and wrong" attitude doesn't help any. Seriously.