Muslim extreamists even affect haven and hearth

[Eemerald]

Yes i can google too.

What muslim countries have u been to where you have seen women not dressed in all black getting killed?

Im not saying that there arent extremists who believe that shit, and possibly in Afghanistan and saudi they may enforce laws on dress for women, but unlikely death. As for the rest of the arab world, youre much midguided, beirut is one of tje most cosmopolitan cities within the arab world. Thered be a hell of a lot of women killed for non islamic dress if what youre quoting is remotely true to happening.

Im not arguing for the sake of arguing, im just telling you that what google and certain websites may show isnt alwaus the general way of life in tjose countries or for most muslims.

[Filystyn]

I personally dont get why ppl get sensitive over religion. Its a personal thing for each individual. So when someone decides to push it on others i ignore it, and when someone decides to shit all over religious beliefs it doesnt bother me. If ure confident in what you believe, then the views of others shouldnt bother you or effect you.
Why should someone elses faith make them my enemy?
Quit the hatin' - as id say if i was 15;)

If someone shits on your mother, if your confiedent (in your mother???) "then the views of others shouldnt bother you or effect you. ". When someone shits on my God it's even wors than he would insult my mother. Overreacting i would call - having at least some selfrespect and respect in what i belive

"Why should someone elses faith make them my enemy?"

If it was written on base of my first post, i will answer for my self - their deeds make them my enemy.

[overtyped]

Yes i can google too.

What muslim countries have u been to where you have seen women not dressed in all black getting killed?

Im not saying that there arent extremists who believe that shit, and possibly in Afghanistan and saudi they may enforce laws on dress for women, but unlikely death. As for the rest of the arab world, youre much midguided, beirut is one of tje most cosmopolitan cities within the arab world. Thered be a hell of a lot of women killed for non islamic dress if what youre quoting is remotely true to happening.

Im not arguing for the sake of arguing, im just telling you that what google and certain websites may show isnt alwaus the general way of life in tjose countries or for most muslims.

Three women in north Pakistan have been shot dead by a male relative who seemed to have believed that they had brought shame on their family, police say. A mother and her two daughters – one aged just 17 – were allegedly killed by her stepson. He had apparently seen a family video in which the daughters were shown laughing in front of their family home.

We then are offered this tortured sentence explaining why:

The woman’s stepson appears to have considered the footage an assault on the family’s honour. So-called honour killings are common in northern Pakistan where women are seldom seen by men other than their relatives.

The story offers background information, noting this was not a freak occurrence.

The BBC’s Orla Guerin in Islamabad says that five young women and two men were reported killed in the same region last year after footage emerged of them singing and dancing together at a wedding. The killings were said to have been ordered by a tribal Jirga, or local council. But locals denied anyone had been killed when Pakistan’s Supreme Court send a fact-finding mission to the area. Leading human rights campaigners however expressed fear that all those in the wedding video were dead.

The article closes with this grim note:

Campaigners say more than 900 women were killed in Pakistan last year in the name of family honour. In spite of reform in the law they say conviction rates are not encouraging and in most cases the killers escape justice

[Eemerald]

I'm not saying that every single time that they go out without a male chaperone, or aren't properly covered that they will be killed, or imprisoned, But its a very very real danger.

Unwanted attention is all ure likely to face without a guy with u or when ure not covered head to foot.

[overtyped]

[quote="Eemerald"] Campaigners say more than 900 women were killed in Pakistan last year in the name of family honour. In spite of reform in the law they say conviction rates are not encouraging and in most cases the killers escape justice.

[borka]

overtyped you're just a kafir who needs to jihad harder ...



http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php?board=43.0

[Xcom]

BEIRUT, July 1 (Reuters) - Islamist rebels in Syria's northern city of Aleppo issued an order on Monday banning women from dressing in what it considered provocative styles, angering some locals who accuse the group of overstepping its powers.

Your still to young to realize that stupid and power hunger is separate from religion. Try reading a book about where Christianity came from. Bloodbaths and pilgrims aren't fairy tails with white nights riding in saving civilizations with there all superior Christian believes. It always and will always be about manipulation and the preferred tool was religion. Nowdays its money.

But I agree that all religions are old ways and should be replaced with more modern way of thinking.

[Eemerald]

There are many issues relating to women in the East in general, which are cultural with religion intertwined, not just within islam but also christianity and hinduism etc. Where in those cultures women are deemed second class citizens and treated like shit. But thats more culture than religion.
Coptic christians in egypt have the same cultural norms as muslim egyptians, you see the same behabiours, same hatred, same femsale circumcision issus, same arranged marriages, same desire for their daughters to marry within tjeir faitj, girls getting killed if they go off witj muslim guys, the family shame thing etc etc.

Anyhow the argument i wads making is that you yourself havent been to a muslim country, i amcyrrently in one, ive lived in one before, i dont wear islamic attire, and im female, when i go out i make sure i dont have a male chaperone cause men are a pain to go out with. And apart from innapriate attentipn, some phpne numbers and random guys making comments or trying to chat, i havent been assaulted or killed for it. And this is based on experience in a few countries not just 1. So when im telling you the reality for most is not like those stories its not based on what ive googled.

[Eemerald]

I should note that my experience is within arab countries, i havent been to any asian countries but i have plenty of exposure to it from close friends

[overtyped]

overtyped
http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php?board=43.0

There is a difference between psychopaths or domestic dispute killings and people killing for their religion.
Without religion, killers will kill and good people will be good. But it takes religion to make a good person who would never otherwise harm anyone a
murderer, because they think god is on their side. Same with all the suicide bombers, they all think they are doing gods work.

But lets try not to derail too much, this is about muslims threatening people with murder, for freedom of expression.
Every other religion is subject to satire, It would be a huge mistake to think that islam is the one exception to this.