Muslim extreamists even affect haven and hearth

[overtyped]

you're dancing the Breivik dance ...

The ball is in your court sir.

[Tonkyhonk]

You missed the point, in the quran or the bible, it is mandated in them to kill nonebelievers, and the whole.. you know, women not being equal to men thing. That is the poisonous dogma I'm talking about, lets stay on the censorship topic.

its just one of the translations or interpretations, baby. both the quaran and the bible were written by human believers, not the gods themselves.

this is not about censorship as long as you are trying to make fool of it.

[btaylor]

This controversy happened in 30 September 2005 and you're just now bringing it up like it's big news. This thread isn't about your avatar being censored, it's about you mixing up drama and being a horrible troll. Everyone knows you can piss off a Muslim by depicting their Prophet because in their religion you are not to depict Muhammad in ANY form. Thus this falls along the lines of being respectful for another person's beliefs.

Just because you don't share the same viewpoint doesn't mean you have free reign to shit all over theirs, and this is coming from an agnostic.

Be careful, there is a very fine line between freedom of expression, and censoring anyone that opposes your belief. This danish cartoon being censured is definitely censuring freedom of expression, that's why it was such a big deal. If muslims want to be offended, they can go ahead and do so, it takes a lot to make me cry. Also, sensitivity only reinforces the stereotype of Muslims as violent.

I'd love to know what jorb and loftar think about freedom of expression, and satirizing religion. They seem to be like freedom, so perhaps they can shed some light on this subject. Then maybe I can put my picture of that danish cartoon back in my profile pic.

Not everything in the world is as black and white as you want it to be.

[Dzedajus]

You missed the point, in the quran or the bible, it is mandated in them to kill nonebelievers, and the whole.. you know, women not being equal to men thing. That is the poisonous dogma I'm talking about, lets stay on the censorship topic.

its just one of the translations or interpretations, baby. both the quaran and the bible were written by human believers, not the gods themselves.

this is not about censorship as long as you are trying to make fool of it.

If you don't like it, it always has to be a metaphor.

[overtyped]

You missed the point, in the quran or the bible, it is mandated in them to kill nonebelievers, and the whole.. you know, women not being equal to men thing. That is the poisonous dogma I'm talking about, lets stay on the censorship topic.

its just one of the translations or interpretations, baby. both the quaran and the bible were written by human believers, not the gods themselves.

this is not about censorship as long as you are trying to make fool of it.

Oh golly tonky, there is so much in it mandating killing nonbelievers or people that leave the religion. Good luck interpreting these verses, your work is still ahead of you : ).
Qur'an (4:89),(9:11-12),(2:217),(9:73-74),(88:21),(5:54),and(9:66) Sur'ah (47:4), (8:39), (9:5)

Surah 4:89 -"Those who reject Islam must be killed. If they turn back (from Islam), take (hold of) them and kill them wherever you find them"

[Tonkyhonk]

Oh golly tonky, there is so much in it mandating killing nonbelievers or people that leave the religion. Good luck interpreting these verses, your work is still ahead of you : ).
Qur'an (4:89),(9:11-12),(2:217),(9:73-74),(88:21),(5:54),and(9:66)

Surah 4:89 -"Those who reject Islam must be killed. If they turn back (from Islam), take (hold of) them and kill them wherever you find them"

its just one of the translations or interpretations, baby. both the quaran and the bible were written by human believers, not the gods themselves.

[MagicManICT]

Edit: there might be other religions that blow themselves up for their delusional beliefs, but islam is the main one, and you know it.

It's the only one that makes the news on a regular basis. It's the only mainstream one that I know of that "makes excuses" to create your own martyrdom via suicide.

However, look at Christian extremists in the world today. I'm not sure about how common it is elsewhere, but here in good ol' Wichita, KS, USA, we haven't had a doctor that provides abortions for any reasons for.. fuck, I can't remember how long. We had a car bombing (no injuries, only property damage), several shootings, and finally, Dr. George Tiller OB/GYN was murdered in his own church by an anti-abortion right-wing Christian fanatic. The number of protest marches over the 20 year period before that were also very unruly and police had to intervene in a few cases. I have the full belief that if this protester had the belief that he would go to heaven instead of hell for suicide, he would have blown himself up and half the church for "supporting" this "killer of babies".

Part of religion in my view is that you believe it in spite of the fact that there is no hard evidence.

This is the definition of "faith," to believe despite concrete evidence proving it true. I've met more than a few professionals in the research field that hold onto these kinds of beliefs. It becomes blind faith when one keeps believing and refuses to see what may be proving one wrong or just being stubborn about it. Sometimes this is a good thing, but mostly negative.

I should note that my experience is within arab countries, i havent been to any asian countries but i have plenty of exposure to it from close friends

If you don't mind me asking, what countries? Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Egypt? What about Afghanistan, Iran, Syria? There's a pretty big difference in the way the religious laws are enforced between different sects, too.

Also: good people will murder when it is the only option left to them (the only other option being death or serious harm to physical/mental self).

I think this has a lot to do with Islamic attitudes towards journalists and authors. They (Islamic conservatives? extremists?) still see themselves as trying to uphold what they believe in and not let the rest of the world shit on them. If it takes death threats to do so, then so be it. After all, most corporate interests are willing to bow under this weight.

Brings up something I just read in this morning's newspaper (yeah, I'm old fashioned like that). http://www.kansas.com/2013/08/19/295175 ... chool.html Not sure if the URL/site can be seen everywhere, so apologies. It's an article how a local school, as part of a cultural education program, had made a bulletin board of the five pillars of Islam. Christian conservatives have made a huge stink over it and "prayer in schools" and other shit. (I'm sure you can find more on the web as right-wing groups have ran with a posting from a parent on Facebook over the weekend. No censorship greater than public "shaming"!!

[overtyped]

Oh golly tonky, there is so much in it mandating killing nonbelievers or people that leave the religion. Good luck interpreting these verses, your work is still ahead of you : ).
Qur'an (4:89),(9:11-12),(2:217),(9:73-74),(88:21),(5:54),and(9:66)

Surah 4:89 -"Those who reject Islam must be killed. If they turn back (from Islam), take (hold of) them and kill them wherever you find them"

its just one of the translations or interpretations, baby. both the quaran and the bible were written by human believers, not the gods themselves.

You don't get it, if muslims are murdering because of these verses, and you can't distinguish what the god wrote (doubt a god wrote it) and what the men wrote, then the whole book is compromised, because it is full of immoral actions, and blatant copying from other previous religions.

[MagicManICT]

Follow up post (off-topic, ignore if you must): Damn, you people post too damn fast. Does anyone really think about what they're saying, or has the argument occurred often enough we can just regurgitate it in seconds? (Just trolling a bit there. Pardon the joke at everyone else's expense, please.)

[overtyped]

It's the only one that makes the news on a regular basis. It's the only mainstream one that I know of that "makes excuses" to create your own martyrdom via suicide.

However, look at Christian extremists in the world today. I'm not sure about how common it is elsewhere, but here in good ol' Wichita, KS, USA, we haven't had a doctor that provides abortions for any reasons for.. fuck, I can't remember how long. We had a car bombing (no injuries, only property damage), several shootings, and finally, Dr. George Tiller OB/GYN was murdered in his own church by an anti-abortion right-wing Christian fanatic. The number of protest marches over the 20 year period before that were also very unruly and police had to intervene in a few cases. I have the full belief that if this protester had the belief that he would go to heaven instead of hell for suicide, he would have blown himself up

I know other religions do some fucked up shit too, but right now we are talking about the muslim one, and how they are censuring everything that MIGHT insult their violent poisonous beliefs.