Get better macro protection..?

[Elirian]

Yeah, you can't think of any distortion at all. All you need to do is tell us which part of the process is not automated and I'm happy to take you at your word

Believe me Elirian, trolling, or even argueing while you know you're not right for that matter doesnt make you loved here. You better stop this, as all posts I read from Granger are posts with thought behind them and you're just meh, trolling about.

-Dey see me trolling, dey hating!..-

That's an interesting stance. Which statement do you regard as trolling?

"Games that do nothing about those who abuse their mechanics hemorrhage players"
"Someone was discussing his silkbot that fully automates the silk harvesting process"

Or another one? Perhaps its just the one where your forum idol quoted me out of context and I called him on it? Don't get me wrong, I appreciate what Granger has done for the game, that was a huge donation the other day. Doesn't mean I'm going to let him misrepresent my comments.

If you'd like to disagree, perhaps you should do that, rather than threaten me with losing your love

[sabinati]

automating the silk process would save clicks, not time.

[Elirian]

automating the silk process would save clicks, not time.

The impression I got was that he ran it on a second account, but perhaps he meant on the same account while he was offline. He can clarify that if he wants.

Same result either way, he collects silk when he wouldn't normally be playing, allowing him to spend the time that he is playing doing something else. Since people are focussing so much on this silk bot I'll repeat now what I said in the discussion at the time and have been saying in this thread.

I'm not saying that bots are something that need to be dealt with in a game that is being developed. Until a game goes live, bots like this are actually helpful. They show where players will try to exploit the system. They highlight things that players might not be enjoying about your game, and would rather have a bot perform for them.

I am saying that people dislike bots, and I am saying that peoples dislike for them is perfectly reasonable. We enter games expecting participants to play within the framework of the game, not to abuse that very framework to get an advantage. Often in online gaming people confuse the game mechanics or interface with the game itself.

[Atherman]

Elirian is my complete and utter enemy. Just a week ago I led an attempt on alts to block off his mine and, if I had any idea where he was, I would probably try to do so again. But we both agree that macro abuse isn't doing anything for the game. Not because we're friends (Quite the opposite) Not because we abuse macros ourselves as many of you do. Because every hour we play the game, someone is emulating that hour while asleep in their bed and getting better outcomes.



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Read a little of this thread. It's about a Russian player using an alt that he made overpowered with macro abuse. He destroyed an entire town, knocks down their masions in a few hits, along with their walls, just on his alt with no effort on his part. He even goes to say "I don't care if you kill this character, he was easy to make." And he doesn't steal anything, he destroys it because, with his macros, it was no work at all.


If those aren't game breaking flaws, then I don't know what are. If I can make an alt, leave him self buffing himself for a week in the background, and then pick the most major city in H&H and single handedly destroy it myself, then macroing needs to come to a halt.

[Elirian]

. But we both agree that macro abuse isn't doing anything for the game.

Well, at the stage the game is at, I would say it is useful, but only provided it is being observed with a view to formulating a response to it, whether that response is to say 'playing the system is just as important as playing the game, if not moreso', to say 'botting = banhammer', or some third alternative. If it's just going on because the devs are idealogically opposed to ensuring people don't abuse their system, that's... useless. Unless that is the ground they use to reason their way to response a.

[DatOneGuy]

Okay whoever spread the rumor that I have some sort of 'silkbot', please properly read and pull your head out your ass.

First of all Mork posted about how it would be a fun challenge to make one, I seconded that notion, said it wouldn't be TOO hard but would be annoying and left it at that.

On top of that, I never bothered getting any macro in this game to work in the background, I didn't need or want it to, I simply wanted it to run while I was offline.

Also in the combat department I've never used macroing to grind up those stats, I used it for cooking, farming, and carpentry. Not that you care or it makes a difference, but all this speculation is getting ridiculous, I've only made 2 macros ever, one that puts items in a loom takes them out, repeatedly (keeps you fed and stuff also, uses image detection to do both things), and one that does the same thing with a dream catcher.

Please don't go into "I bet he has an automilker too! Dirty macroer...", when you assume you make an ass out of you, and me.

[Elirian]

please properly read and pull your head out your ass.

You're not the person we are talking about. I'm not even sure why you think we have that high an opinion of your macro skeelz

[spectacle]

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Read a little of this thread. It's about a Russian player using an alt that he made overpowered with macro abuse. He destroyed an entire town, knocks down their masions in a few hits, along with their walls, just on his alt with no effort on his part. He even goes to say "I don't care if you kill this character, he was easy to make." And he doesn't steal anything, he destroys it because, with his macros, it was no work at all.


If those aren't game breaking flaws, then I don't know what are. If I can make an alt, leave him self buffing himself for a week in the background, and then pick the most major city in H&H and single handedly destroy it myself, then macroing needs to come to a halt.

[DatOneGuy]

please properly read and pull your head out your ass.

You're not the person we are talking about. I'm not even sure why you think we have that high an opinion of your macro skeelz

I suppose someone else came around besides me or mork and was talking about it. As far as I know mork didn't go on and actually make one, neither did I.


Ah, it seems someone actually did, however he doesn't 'have one' he's simply talking about it.

http://pastebin.com/uM0Ayfc0 - People talking about it, no one ever saying they actually have one, usually when this happens it starts off as sarcasm and ends up in a 'srs' trollin'

http://pastebin.com/MgL8ibRa - As I said, Mork.


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That was my bad to assume that, I was actually copying reply on two things at the same time and they mangled into one quote tag, so I read 'datoneguy' at the top and 'silkbot' underneath, hence my response. Moving on, I doubt anyone's bothered to do it yet, and hopefully they won't.

Other than snippets of useful code to do things such as automatically dropping an item by Ctrl-clicking, automatically drinking water when you press a button or other little things, hopefully people read this thread and stop before we end up with some of those.

[Elirian]

http://pastebin.com/uM0Ayfc0 - People talking about it, no one ever saying they actually have one, usually when this happens it starts off as sarcasm and ends up in a 'srs' trollin'

MMM more selective quotation, you guys are good at this!

He has it, he runs it, and if you have that section of the log you also have the later section where he mentions it greeting people as it walks about, if not the earlier section where he explicitly states having it.

Here, let me help you get up to speed.

2-3 days ago on irc someone was talking about his silkbot.

True.

His entire silk production process is automated on a second account, leaving him free to do as he wishes while still collecting silk.

False.

Other things he may choose to do could include say... grinding up his combat stats.

I think the wording was more like 'would be possible to extend it'.

... seems like an issue for Jorb ...

While Jorb visited me to hand me a nice blue cape some days ago (thanks again for it, the bragging rights buff is awesome!) I had a nice long ingame talk with him about robots, you can be sure he is aware of the topic and the problems connected to it.

Nevertheless i'm happy about this thread regarding the topic, please keeep it constructive.