Please don't do this

[T0ne]

Am I the only one who went to her youtube?

[Amanda44]

@Amanda: lol get over it, you weren't gonna buy the service anyway because you hermit and prefer to be self-reliant (reason I wouldn't buy it either).

No, but seriously - I was, firstly because i'd already built one, all that straw again, I hate farming, lol and also because I was really impressed with the idea and really wanted to support it.
I paid ppl last world to help me build my last b/wall. Well, 'til they deserted me during the lag to go play Salem.

Anyway, this has got slightly out of hand hasn't it ................... !

[Eemerald]

painhertz isn't a total douche to people for totally unnecessary things.

I find it kinda sad when someone starts a trade thread and it literally takes 4 pages before a shitstorm occurs. So many people have traded on these forums, and apart from a few trades going wrong with traders who aren't well known or trusted, never has something spiralled to such a degree.

And Jazmine I know some people sided with you initially, and having traded before I know how annoying delays or miscommunication can be, but your behaviour and responses were to be honest, disgusting. If you want to trade with English speaking only customers then make it clear on your thread, and save all those customers who don't have English as a first language the aggro of dealing with you.
Miscommunication can happen at any point, and I find it amazing when non English speakers make such an effort to deal with us English speakers in order to buy items or sell items. It isn't easy to communicate to English for everyone, same as i'm sure you find difficulty communicating in a foreign language you don't really practice on a daily basis and it isn't your mother tongue. You could have easily been polite and asked them to explain, or repeat, or ask to speak to someone else int he town whose English was a little better. Instead you go awol and bat shit crazy as the poor girl trying to make the effort to talk to you.

And seriously, if you get pissy over someone not oathing you quickly for something which ultimately BENEFITS you, since you're the one getting the higher q bear cape, then you seriously wont hack being a trader. You can spend literally hours just on a couple of trades with people because of any of the following reasons:
- Ls or chieftan not being online
- Incomplete payment
- Trade alt with hf they cant destroy
- Forgetting payment
- Lag
and many more reason I'm sure, and its not to say those things aren't annoying, but the majority of people don't do it on purpose to be annoying, these are genuine issues that happen in trade, and as a trader to keep your business going and to get a good reputation you are patient, respectful and polite. Three things you seem to have entirely missed in your trade with this group of people. Even when they asked you to leave, you refuse, just to piss them off more so they'd losing authority...like wtf?! and the insults on nuking Russian....jeez...like words just left me reading that crap.
Their response to you was uncalled for too, but heck, I think i'd have probably gone all out on insults too if you tried half of that with me.

being genuine about your apology would have helped you more. all you did was make yourself a focus for a lot of unwanted attention for some time, especially since you're doing the hard woman act of supposedly not giving a shit. when you constantly attacked for people who are bored looking for targets to have fun with, it wont be easy to not give a shit sadly. I do hope they don't waste their time doing so, and I hope that at least some people may still want your business idea, cause I initially liked it, it was original, new, it saves some towns and people a lot of time and energy. but no one would want to oath someone who'd be that rude over something so petty.

who knows. just my view anyway, take from it what you will.

[Jazminekhan]

painhertz isn't a total douche to people for totally unnecessary things.

I find it kinda sad when someone starts a trade thread and it literally takes 4 pages before a shitstorm occurs. So many people have traded on these forums, and apart from a few trades going wrong with traders who aren't well known or trusted, never has something spiralled to such a degree.

And Jazmine I know some people sided with you initially, and having traded before I know how annoying delays or miscommunication can be, but your behaviour and responses were to be honest, disgusting. If you want to trade with English speaking only customers then make it clear on your thread, and save all those customers who don't have English as a first language the aggro of dealing with you.
Miscommunication can happen at any point, and I find it amazing when non English speakers make such an effort to deal with us English speakers in order to buy items or sell items. It isn't easy to communicate to English for everyone, same as i'm sure you find difficulty communicating in a foreign language you don't really practice on a daily basis and it isn't your mother tongue. You could have easily been polite and asked them to explain, or repeat, or ask to speak to someone else int he town whose English was a little better. Instead you go awol and bat shit crazy as the poor girl trying to make the effort to talk to you.

And seriously, if you get pissy over someone not oathing you quickly for something which ultimately BENEFITS you, since you're the one getting the higher q bear cape, then you seriously wont hack being a trader. You can spend literally hours just on a couple of trades with people because of any of the following reasons:
- Ls or chieftan not being online
- Incomplete payment
- Trade alt with hf they cant destroy
- Forgetting payment
- Lag
and many more reason I'm sure, and its not to say those things aren't annoying, but the majority of people don't do it on purpose to be annoying, these are genuine issues that happen in trade, and as a trader to keep your business going and to get a good reputation you are patient, respectful and polite. Three things you seem to have entirely missed in your trade with this group of people. Even when they asked you to leave, you refuse, just to piss them off more so they'd losing authority...like wtf?! and the insults on nuking Russian....jeez...like words just left me reading that crap.
Their response to you was uncalled for too, but heck, I think i'd have probably gone all out on insults too if you tried half of that with me.

being genuine about your apology would have helped you more. all you did was make yourself a focus for a lot of unwanted attention for some time, especially since you're doing the hard woman act of supposedly not giving a shit. when you constantly attacked for people who are bored looking for targets to have fun with, it wont be easy to not give a shit sadly. I do hope they don't waste their time doing so, and I hope that at least some people may still want your business idea, cause I initially liked it, it was original, new, it saves some towns and people a lot of time and energy. but no one would want to oath someone who'd be that rude over something so petty.

who knows. just my view anyway, take from it what you will.

Okay to start off.

The relationship between me and caz and raven is not via forums. i know caz from the city of brodgar and the brodgar active members skype group. Which sadly also hosted people who were not active members of the city, for instance, raven. Instead actually this brodgar only skype group hosted several individuals from Buff's city and other ones too. Just people who do cheap trades with the brodgar noobs. My relationship with raven was on a steady incline of anger for weeks. Me occasionally letting it out a bit with a small poke or jab at her calling her dumb based on her english skills. (May i also add that i thought she was a boy until this morning?) Either way, rising pressures and me having been up all night last night and tired from doing various jobs had me irritated already. and the lack in communication with someone who is from a village i do DAILY TRADES WITH pissed me off more. And to be clear, its not like i said "stupid ass mother fucking retarded lump of shit you took to long" i said "fucker i coulda been done this a while ago" or something like that. Fucker was the word i used. And Raven's response to cancel the trade over that one comment was totally ridiculous. A complete overreaction in my opinion. Me, being the sleep deprived agitated now angry person i am got even more upset at this because i just wanted to get rid of the fucking bear. I didnt care about the cape. but since a good trader wasnt on and i was too tired from the 50+ oaths i did that night to trade with someone else i was determined to give it to people i already knew. how this blew up from there you can happily see in the chat logs.
Here i was, already tired, already frustrated and now really agitated having to hear im gonna have to either apologize or fight. so i chose the energy provoking one because i needed to relieve some stress anyways.
Raven just up and cancelling the trade was totally uncalled for.
Me refusing to leave was a bitch move i'll agree. but again and again i will say this. 50k auth lost from exiling me isnt bad when i know your village members probably rack in that much LP in an hour. It woulda been a lot more simple to just do that?
from there on everone seems to know the story but i thought i would clarify the stem of it.

Yes fault is on my for being agitated already and overreacting. but seriously? exile me bro. no need to make this such a huge thing causing in reputation loss, new enemies, attacks on my village, and a fucking RAID.

[Jazminekhan]

Am I the only one who went to her youtube?

Yes, yes you are...

[Seizure]

Jaz, your responses are in no way helping you.

[caz]

1. chieftains cannot exile
2. you were not kinned on the lawspeaker
3. the authority loss is a hit, and you were being a douche, i asked you politely to leave many times
4. i had to ask around for 20mins to find out your hearth secret so i could exile you on the lawspeaker alt

raven did more for brodgar than you ever have, or will. she was the one that started the keep farm, as well as the tree farm within the keep... she was there since a couple of weeks in to brodgar's w7 life
when you were removed from the brodgar conversation a mere 45mins or so before all this shit happened, many people were relieved to have you and your bad attitude gone

then you accuse me of breaking in to your village? you send people after me and my friends that werent even involved?

pathetic

[Lman8786]

Yes fault is on my for being agitated already and overreacting. but seriously? exile me bro. no need to make this such a huge thing causing in reputation loss, new enemies, attacks on my village, and a fucking RAID.

The thing is, no one should have to exile you, you should just leave since that's the correct way to trade and you are supposed to be a "trader" going back to what Emerald said, those three rules that a trader must have.

[Jazminekhan]

1. chieftains cannot exile
2. you were not kinned on the lawspeaker
3. the authority loss is a hit, and you were being a douche, i asked you politely to leave many times
4. i had to ask around for 20mins to find out your hearth secret so i could exile you on the lawspeaker alt

raven did more for brodgar than you ever have, or will. she was the one that started the keep farm, as well as the tree farm within the keep... she was there since a couple of weeks in to brodgar's w7 life
when you were removed from the brodgar conversation a mere 45mins or so before all this shit happened, many people were relieved to have you and your bad attitude gone

then you accuse me of breaking in to your village? you send people after me and my friends that werent even involved?

pathetic

i'm surprised you keep coming back to respond to me...

Also who told you my hearth secrets? because more than one account was added

[Jazminekhan]

Jaz, your responses are in no way helping you.

firstly, its JAZMINE. not jaz.
secondly, they arent meant to.