something not completly different

[Marouk]

actually, they were there probably 1 whole minute after nuke. Wasn't outside, so I cannot say if they were there waiting, but that is something to think about.

Dis has crs to all over the world, Including extremely close to AD.
that I know. but again, who told them in the moment as we just got to know what happened?
message I got: we got nuked, be careful, don't tell anyone but people you trust
... 20 seconds later I login and already see dis ppl running around and chasing people?

Uh who else would tell them besides the person nuking it.. I don't understand what you are trying to prove.

so Loftar told them in the moment as he nuked. like: hey DIS, get here, walls are nuked? I cannot imagine that.
CAnnot think that we will proove anything here. But having spies or being there and involved into foul deeds sounds like dis. And tell whoever want that I am subjective, I've seen their behavior in Salem (were in same village and later on met some of them), that IS how they work.

[Tonkyhonk]

Yes and I, a fiend of some AD players only got this news a few hours after the incident...

ppl noticed the severe lag, started joining in IRC channel, loftar responded, everyone pmed loftar, and the server crashed. you can guess what went on.

[Marouk]

Actually we checked their walls with alts before server crashed. We thought account stealer may open gates and leave them opened. So when we logged in to our alts... happy time . Anyway it takes about ~10-15 mins to get there with our mains and walls was already repaired so... You kinda slow.

hm, someone was there before you were?? XD

[APXEOLOG]

Actually we checked their walls with alts before server crashed. We thought account stealer may open gates and leave them opened. So when we logged in to our alts... happy time . Anyway it takes about ~10-15 mins to get there with our mains and walls was already repaired so... You kinda slow.

hm, someone was there before you were?? XD

Idk. You'd better ask your members

Ah i think you may thought we are not raided ad. We entered through minehole, yes, but your guys have enough time to repair walls before we come. It's the biggest luck i think, because i cannot see any way we can use this nuke even after 20 mins after server was up.

[burgingham]

I never even touched a bug in this game till the day that you and your friends started exploiting the shit out of them to make our lives hell.

Hrrrm...! That's not *entirely* true, is it? ^^

You had to adress this now, didn't you? Instead of answering to all my actual arguments.

I used a hyperbole on purpose to undeerline my current stance. I just wrote someone in a pm and did make a similar post here some weeks ago too: Back when I was involved in the game I made mistakes too, mistakes I would not make again. The time in world 2 was me stepping into an MMO the first time ever, at all.

I wrote in my comment a few weeks ago: I was not aware that you had to have morals in a game. I learned that you did.

Today I am the complete opposite of what I was back then. I see that games are how people spend their free time and anyone who is messing with another person's free time in a negative way is an asshole to me. Not in the game, but as a person. I apologize for the inconveniences I caused to people back then. It was wrong of me. (Note by the way that I did not take part in a single raid or killing of WV, I just sat in town with Darki and organized shit while the others were out raiding..so even then I was kinda aware of something wrong happening, but not enough as to make me change things).

[Rador]

Interesting that about the whole discussion jorb points out one fact... Interesting, so please jorb, by posting facts and aswer to stuff, what about the other 30 pages?:) I wait:)

[_Gunnar]

The rule just states for people to not spam threads for resets because they feel like they are behind.

I'm fully aware, but if you read it it also sets out the reasons a world reset would happen, which is certainly not covered by your reasoning... nothing would stop the bug-abuse in the new world, would it? It would achieve nothing. This is why I'm saying that you are being stupid.

Also, why are you feeling so aggrevated by Avu's requests to just wipe everything? Do you feel like he adresses you?

Well given that he's saying to wipe everything, of course it affects me - but it honestly wouldn't affect my playstyle at all.
Its more that it wouldn't affect anything at all, and it really is at loggerheads with his previous statements about how empathetic he is towards others.

P.S.: I don't think I am stupid, maybe you wanna apologize for that. I don't categorize it as mod sass, no. As a personal insult however, yes.

i know you aren't a stupid person, do you think i would tell scumbags like troll13 or tkearns (balance ftw) or whoever to stop being stupid? no, there would be no point. I'm not going to apologise for calling you out for saying something I believe to be wrong and rather dumb. Perhaps I could have phrased it better. I was a little mad :p

[sabinati]

I still dont get why Coles is even in the "inner cycle" of this game.

he's not

[Marouk]

Idk. You'd better ask your members

Ah i think you may thought we are not raided ad. We entered through minehole, yes, but your guys have enough time to repair walls before we come. It's the biggest luck i think, because i cannot see any way we can use this nuke even after 20 mins after server was up.

well, the thing is, our member's chars might also have attacked our members, the stolen accounts, so anyone who wanted to be safe closed himself in.

Anyway whoever did this is a poor lonely punk, bragging with his hacking knowledge in order to cover up his complexes. I can come up with something better, but making him feel sorry for himself isn't the intention, he already does.

P.S. I support those who are for world reset. That would be fine )

[burgingham]

Thank you, Gunnar.

I tried to come up with a solution for a reset btw. I know that having GMs isnt perfect..but it certainly beats what we have now.