something not completly different

[APXEOLOG]

+1 to borka. that's how i feel about this situation.

[stickman]

Loftar have you ever considered doing what a lot of other games do with logins.

If you login from a different IP then you normally do then it locks your account and sends an email to you that you have to click to unlock it?

That way people cannot brute force because the account would be locked after one attempt.

maybe it could be an option in the account settings incase someone uses dial up and doesn't keep the same IP.

Also is there no way to check if the person who hacked the accounts interacted in anyway with other characters in game? not sure what kind of logging if any is done.

[_Gunnar]

Loftar, some clarification on the role of bruteforcing in this would be great, if you want to share :p

+1 to borka. that's how i feel about this situation.

lol, you agree with his last statement too? :p

[Marouk]

I didn't even think it's the first time. Heard a lot about attacks and lags and stuff since I'm in hnh, and that from many villages. It was connected to this situation.
In general, all kind of abuse should be punished, that is my opinion. No matter who, using hacking to get something more from game or to cheat the system is kinda stupid, where's the fun?

[loftar]

no he didn't. brute force was mentioned in relation to other incidents.

Indeed. Bruteforcing passwords has been attempted a number of times every now and then. It's a different thing altogether. It was mentioned simply because it has been bothering me at least as much.

Loftar have you ever considered doing what a lot of other games do with logins.

If you login from a different IP then you normally do then it locks your account and sends an email to you that you have to click to unlock it?

I don't think this is normal. There are lots of people playing from dynamic IPs, and such a procedure would be a lot of pain for them.

While it's true that I strongly disdain brute-forcers and other account thieves, it is in almost all cases, in the end, the responsibility of individual account owners to keep their accounts safe. All the actual instances of account theft I've observed have been due to issues which the real owner really only has himself to blame for: ridiculously weak passwords, using keylogging clients, sharing passwords with semi-trusted people, et cetera. I have been helping some of them from time to other, but it should well be noted that when I have done so, it has been because I've been in a good mood that day; I do not consider myself having any form of "duty" to help people in those situations.

It would be another thing, of course, if the server software were so intrinsically weak as to make account theft possible even if the account owner has taken due and reasonable precautions, but thus far, I have not encountered such a situation. (That is not to say, either, that there aren't more precautions that could be taken on the server side to make account theft harder, and I am considering such from time to time.)

In general, all kind of abuse should be punished, that is my opinion. No matter who, using hacking to get something more from game or to cheat the system is kinda stupid, where's the fun? :)

This is true, but as I've mentioned previously in the thread, it has, most of the time, been hard to connect individual cases of brute-forcing or other forms of account theft to any actual player.

[burgingham]

I don't see what you're implying that I have done. How did anything of that have anything to do with Coles' relation to the happenings in this thread? Or anything else in this thread, for that matter? Or anything else that didn't happen three years ago, for that matter?

So, uh...what about my evidences I gave you about Dis using clients that intentionally lag others? How is that hearsay or anything. That guy posted on these very forums that he abused this shit.

On top that Coon dude...Alex? (too lazy to look it up now) just posted here that they know dozens of server crash options they used in the past.

Jeez...when will you guys wake up and wipe your game off this filth and make it attractive to honest players again? I mean sure, that is easier said than done, but it seems to me that since they started to kiss your ass in Salem you forgot they only act like this to get the better of you and are able to play their dirty games with the support of the devs. That is what Sarchis pic hints at.

People like Coles, Arheolog etc do not belong on the side of your advisors, they deserve a kick out of any gaming community they stick their dirty noses into.

I have long wanted to bring down a raeghammer on them too, but I've never been able to find out who they were.

This is kinda hard to believe when you make JC a mod on your other game's forums and consider inviting people like Arheolog to the Inner Party of this game...

Loftar, you know AD members account were not stolen by brute-forcing, rather hacking into email? I don't know why you are looking for brute-forcing evidence... of course you will never find it if it wasn't used in the first place.

I am having trouble believing that there isn't an shard of electronic trail that reveals who it was that stole 20++? accounts from AD and then subsequently destroyed the city from the inside-out, regardless of your nuking.

You have made it seem like you spent hours trying to fix the effects of AD's DoS, but you haven't spent much time, if any at all, investigating the REASON why they did the DoS in the first place.

As it was said by A.D. members, their private client keylog all accounts and send it to email. That email was hacked and all accounts was taken from there. I think they punish themselves with such things.

Do you see this Loftar: That guy publically admits to stealing other people's email accounts (or at the very least being personally associated with the person who di it) and justifies it by saying he stole from thieves. That is just plain disgusting and you collaborate with such people?

He admitted two times to such actions now in this thread and you still are not on your god account and nuke his fucking city from your game?

Well, I am glad there are several people showing pretty good progress having HnH emulators by now, because this game is lost forever on the public server if there nothing done immediatly.

[APXEOLOG]

So, uh...what about my evidences I gave you about Dis using clients that intentionally lag others? How is that hearsay or anything. That guy posted on these very forums that he abused this shit.
On top that Coon dude...Alex? (too lazy to look it up now) just posted here that they know dozens of server crash options they used in the past.

How can i confirm crash bug without server crash? How can i confirm lag bug without someone lag?
Stop it burgi. We both knows about how you reported chair walljump after raiding our vaults in previous worlds.

This is kinda hard to believe when you make JC a mod on your other game's forums and consider inviting people like Arheolog to the Inner Party of this game...

I don't know anything about this. But anyway i like this idea

That guy publically admits to stealing other people's email accounts (or at the very least being personally associated with the person who di it) and justifies it by saying he stole from thieves. That is just plain disgusting and you collaborate with such people?
He admitted two times to such actions now in this thread and you still are not on your god account and nuke his fucking city from your game?

Stop being koya. Read better || stop shittalking.

[burgingham]

You don't need to confirm anything. If you have a suspicion report it to Loftar. The end.

What you do is: Hm, I found some way to crash the server. Lemme keep it hidden till I need it. Then I use it once. Then I report it to the devs to look like a cool guy. Me so smart...

Not even going to talk to you about accusing me of such nonsense btw. I never even touched a bug in this game till the day that you and your friends started exploiting the shit out of them to make our lives hell. So just skip that topic, kkthx.


@Loftar: You should just reset servers now and use some mods as GMs. Borka, TeckX, Potjeh. If they wanna do it. Who cares if they are not perfectly objective, it is better than what is going on now.

[loftar]

So, uh...what about my evidences I gave you about Dis using clients that intentionally lag others? How is that hearsay or anything. That guy posted on these very forums that he abused this shit.

For one part, just reading about such a story indirectly on the forum is quite different from catching someone in the act. There's a lot of structure to be delved through, and I don't even know if the reporter was even involved, or in what way, which other personae were involved, which of his characters on which of his accounts would have been in the abusing village (and which others would perhaps be living completely separate), &c&c. Surely, you can see the difference?

For another part, APXEOLOG has been reporting quite a number of bugs to me and sometimes even been helpful in tracking them down. That's not to categorically say that he cannot be doing other things behind my back, but because of that, I would at least like to give him the benefit of doubt.

[...]and are able to play their dirty games with the support of the devs. That is what Sarchis pic hints at.

People like Coles, Arheolog etc do not belong on the side of your advisors, they deserve a kick out of any gaming community they stick their dirty noses into.

If you're implying that Coles has been involved in any kind of immoral behavior of the sort that is being discussed herein, I will certainly at least admit that he has succeeded well in hiding it from me. To be honest, I don't even know what you're accusing him of.

As it was said by A.D. members, their private client keylog all accounts and send it to email. That email was hacked and all accounts was taken from there. I think they punish themselves with such things.

Do you see this Loftar: That guy publically admits to stealing other people's email accounts (or at the very least being personally associated with the person who di it) and justifies it by saying he stole from thieves. That is just plain disgusting and you collaborate with such people?

Maybe my English is poor, but I read that simply as a statement of the facts, not as an admission of his own involvement.

[APXEOLOG]

2burgingham tell me about chair walljump fisrt. I will not talk with you while you're ignoring all shit you made, making yourself white knight.