something not completly different

[Dill]

Seems like there is going to be a forum war or something here.... Popcorn.

Edit: we need a summary.

burg thinks loftar is taking dis side, dis fighting it. That is shortest summary i could do.

[windmaker]

Seems like there is going to be a forum war or something here.... Popcorn.

Edit: we need a summary.

a lot of players thinks loftar is taking dis side, dis fighting it. That is shortest summary i could do.

fix'd

[APXEOLOG]

What questions you got? The why did you use bugs one? I answered that.

You mean this one?

I never even touched a bug in this game till the day that you and your friends started exploiting the shit out of them to make our lives hell. So just skip that topic, kkthx.

Ok i ask once more:
1. Why do you use chair walljump to raid?
2. Why do you use minehole abuse to raid?
3. Why do Pande use pclaim lp abuse in the begining of w5?
Three bugs i can tell without any time to remember more.

And yes, last question:
4. Why do you think you have rights to tell someone abuser scum, being it yourself?

[bitza]

what is pclaim LP abuse?

[Dill]

what is pclaim LP abuse?

Something that can make you gain ALOT of LP pretty fast, Its long since fixed.

[jordancoles]

@JC: Then prove to me you never knew about any bug abuse, never participated in any exploit etc. Then ok, your name is clean. I just apologized for the insult, which frankly was just a reply to your insult. But I guess you are not mature enough to take yours back, so be it

I have a hard time apologizing for something that was thrown at me to begin with. We can end the conversation here though and I'll ignore the original stab.

[_Gunnar]

For gunnar and others that get upset when I claim there is nothing worth saving and etc... well the way I see it if you truly are decent and just playing your own game not hurting others or hoping to grow strong enough to hurt others you are still guilty of a great sin, you are enabling the likes of dis ainran ad and all their wouldbes without people to raid and kill and bug ram they would eventually grow bored and find another game.

They would just raid and kill and bugram each other, like they do now. It is still perfectly possible to have fun in this environment without taking part in it. I don't think that playing the game is a "sin", its perfectly obvious that whether people play or not doesn't really matter right now to jorb and loftar, so your boycott is totally pointless.

Also I don't see any of these imaginary decent folk talking up arms uniting working together to put a stop to the bad guys or at least making it less fun for them. You could claim that you'd have to employ their own methods to be even remotely competitive against them and you'd be right I had to do that with pande in order to fight off NNN and it kept escalating to the point where even with crazy wall jumping abuse and 8 hour plus raid during russian sleeping time digging mines down to level five and all it got us was a russian induced server crash that loftar admited to but did nothing about. That crash while saving the NNN vault also messed the server data that nuked one of my mansions where i had all my food (and it was a lot) with my hearthfire too (though my townmates figured it out and saved my char life by summoning it themselves ) my favorite mountain also got nuked. It was the last straw for me. The situation has grown progressively worse since then. What once was mortal sin abusing bugged coal or silly shit like that today has become account trading for real money, keylogger clients, account stealing, server crashing, lagging the clients of others so they can't fight back (hi arheolog), dos-ing the servers and these are only the meta abuses the ingame ones are without number but they do pale in comparison.

I really do understand your reasons for quitting, I really really do... but if you guys who had the time and energy to organize into a faction all quit, you can't blame those who are left behind, who may not have the time or the experience, for not doing that.

So you decent would be folk don't fight them because well you can't you'd have to become them so all you do is being cattle waiting for the slaughter and their amusement. Some of you may be lucky enough to enjoy an eternal nomadic life and good for you but what about everyone else? Some of those maybe are lucky enough to have found an island managed to brickwall it so it can't be bugrammed and are strong enough to break strongboxes and their only recourse is to hide behind those walls forever. Waiting for? Well I don't know what because for as long as you enable the bad guys they will be happy to be bad guys.

Like I said, I roam around all day long on my main, and most people I meet are very nice. Its totally silly for you to pretend that you have to hide inside a brickwall all day every day, when you quit last world. I imagine things are dangerous near centres of dickhead activity (see recent thread about someone getting killed in the SE) but really I only very very rarely see murders in the areas I patrol.

You mentioned my empathy and it's not bullshit but it's not a love everyone kind of deal either. I have a strict moral code that I go by and expect those I play with to go by as well. For example I think it's ok to use bugs against those that use bugs themselves AND hurt noobs or other people that do not use bugs. I think it's not ok to use any meta means other than whatever information one can gather about the others from their forum posts which is not that much to get ahead in the game, that includes all the things I listed above like account stealing dos-ing etc. I think helping noobs is the decent thing to do but helping those that do not or will not help themselves is more than just stupid. All of you are not helping yourselves by playing this broken wreck. I find it very hard to be empathic toward you.

Well I really don't think you are helping either.

To be fair I have 0 hope of this game ever returning to even a tiny bit of what it once was but that fault lies mainly with jorb and loftar and not due to the lack of development I understand they have to make a living but it has a lot to do with the way they choose to approach rules and their enforcing. Random acts of whatever you want to call it do not make for anything resembling fairness and the extreme leniency they have showed in the past compounded with the huge periods of time where they do nothing at all also encourages the kinds of behavior that have no place in any game.

Well yeah I do agree with you here, and I hope that once development resumes a certain amount of "justice" will return, to make all this abuse harder to get away with.

And yes I firmly believe the game would be better off with the servers offline until they have time to work on it. Would it lose a lot of population when it's eventually back? Maybe. Would anyone weep over a lot of those that would be gone maybe finding some other game to destroy in the meantime? Not me.

Well you wouldn't weep over anything apparently, since if people don't self-organize into white knight factions you just treat them with contempt anyway. Oh, I nearly forgot, you don't play either, so what difference does it make to you if the servers are on or off?

The thing is very few if any of the people that could and would build big strong decently white knight factions in the game are long gone while the scum and the ones that can't or won't think bigger than their nomad character or tiny walled island remain and will be here to influence any of the imaginary fixes that will maybe happen as well as the scum having a ready made network once the imaginary reboot does happen ensuring them a very strong start making any would be new white knight faction struggle extremely hard even more than the usual (it's always a lot easier to destroy than to build or protect something).

If you're all gone, then I really think its best for you to leave other people to play as they wish for now. P.S. as you know there is a teleportation system in haven so that I can travel the world without being a nomad (much as I wish a nomadic lifestyle was viable...) And I don't live on an island

Do my opinions make you mad? Well I don't give a damn. I'm not a nice guy but I'd rather have a 100 of me as neighbours around than have one of Nao or Goo or Koya or others.

You know, I would probably like you as a neighbour too. But you aren't playing.

There's not really that much I can say to you honestly, as you know arguments like this never go anywhere, but I have to say that you do irritate me, and I really do understand why you quit but I don't think that gives you the right to dismiss every single person who plays as scum not worth thinking about.

[burgingham]

What questions you got? The why did you use bugs one? I answered that.

You mean this one?

I never even touched a bug in this game till the day that you and your friends started exploiting the shit out of them to make our lives hell. So just skip that topic, kkthx.

Ok i ask once more:
1. Why do you use chair walljump to raid?
2. Why do you use minehole abuse to raid?
3. Why do Pande use pclaim lp abuse in the begining of w5?
Three bugs i can tell without any time to remember more.

And yes, last question:
4. Why do you think you have rights to tell someone abuser scum, being it yourself?

1. Because your guys harrassed us with bug raids and we wanted to be finally left in peace, so we tried to achieve it like that.

2. What? I have no knowledge of that. I don't even know how that works.

3. I don't even know what that is.... Mind explaining to me how you do that and what happens there?

4. I answered that I made mistakes in the past, I regret them. I would not make them again. Some I made when I was unaware that I should have a set of proper morals in an online game (w2 coal abuse). I know now that is is of utter importance. Some I made to protect myself against you and your people. I should not have done that either and instead just left the game as soon as you entered it with your bugabusing scum and started attacking us for no reason.

Good?

Summary: I did abuse a few bugs or at leats let people connected to me use them with my knowledge and I regret that. Even though it was always just in self defense. I should have been the bigger man and just left the game right away as soon as you and your Dis fellows started spamming the game with daily bug abuses and epxloits and server crashes. I was too proud to do it and it was stupid of me. Is that man enough for you?

[jordancoles]

what is pclaim LP abuse?

Something that can make you gain ALOT of LP pretty fast, Its long since fixed.

iirc you start a character, discover everything you can and throw it into a p claim and then kill the character since LP in claims would remain the same. Inherit and repeat then drop the p claim for the LP. But I could be wrong.

[_Gunnar]

@ burgingham, you know, i just realised you never apologized to ME for calling me a "mindless drone with no morals". guess saying you were being stupid was a far more serious insult :p

(i'm allowed to shitpost a bit, right?)