24 Hours - Until you die

[Sarvoth]

Hahahaha, no. One does not merely 'invent' rights, friend. Rights are afforded either by social contract (Positive Law) or by appealing to some notion of higher good, such as God, or Morality (Natural Law). Your half-baked "Might makes right" sentiments don't hold water in the real world. This is a game, and is removed from the very real and permanent consequences of our lives that make rights a necessity, but you choosing to break into my house because you think you might be able to get away with it places you in every category of wrong conceivable.

My personal beliefs and moral compass don't necessarily mean that I cannot recognize the fact that might is indeed right. You made an assumption about me, an incorrect one at that. I wouldn't break into your house because I find that morally wrong and the idea of doing so is repulsive, even if I could get away with it. In the real world might IS right. The government of your country for example has the might to enforce a way of life and you as a citizen can either live within the guidelines of that system or use your own power to do as you please. It's not a hard concept to understand. Right afforded by social contract can be taken away by those who have the power to do so and the agreements can be broken by the very same. If someone has the power to do as they please then by all means... well.. they can. I can't stop them, can I? Some entity might have the power to, however, and if they take issue and have the power, well... by all means. I can't stop them either. .

[Einlanser]

My problem though, is your terminology. Right has the connotation of correctness, and acceptability. Might may make 'ability' but it does not make 'right'.

[Zamilpen]

Defining what is right as well as defining in lieu to the definition,to morals, and to point of view is opening a whole can of worms alone as it is. And don't get me started on religion.

[rye130]

Right and wrong are two sides of the same coin.

[Sarvoth]

My problem though, is your terminology. Right has the connotation of correctness, and acceptability. Might may make 'ability' but it does not make 'right'.

That's fair enough. I can understand that.

[sabinati]

My problem though, is your terminology. Right has the connotation of correctness, and acceptability. Might may make 'ability' but it does not make 'right'.

whoever has the ability to enforce their rules gets to determine what the rules are and to whom they apply. is that better terminology?

[Oddity]

It's a sandbox game, right? I could do nothing but break shit and murder people and no one could tell me I'm "doing it wrong" with any basis of fact.

99.9% of the current player base are stupid carebears who think that any way of playing besides peaceful is wrong. It's really ironic considering what this game allows you to do, and is basically about if you can see beyond eternal farming.

[gadien]

Hahahaha, no. One does not merely 'invent' rights, friend. Rights are afforded either by social contract (Positive Law) or by appealing to some notion of higher good, such as God, or Morality (Natural Law). Your half-baked "Might makes right" sentiments don't hold water in the real world. This is a game, and is removed from the very real and permanent consequences of our lives that make rights a necessity, but you choosing to break into my house because you think you might be able to get away with it places you in every category of wrong conceivable.

Wow, this thread just got serious with dime store political philosophy and shit. I don't feel like getting into it but

The real world operates on Power
Power is basically might makes right
The only thing that keeps society from devolving into anarchy of might makes right is institutionalization

Remember - "Politics is war through other means" holds true.

Thats all I'm going to say

[LimaZulu]

Hahahaha, no. One does not merely 'invent' rights, friend. Rights are afforded either by social contract (Positive Law) or by appealing to some notion of higher good, such as God, or Morality (Natural Law). Your half-baked "Might makes right" sentiments don't hold water in the real world. This is a game, and is removed from the very real and permanent consequences of our lives that make rights a necessity, but you choosing to break into my house because you think you might be able to get away with it places you in every category of wrong conceivable.

Wow, this thread just got serious with dime store political philosophy and shit. I don't feel like getting into it but

The real world operates on Power
Power is basically might makes right
The only thing that keeps society from devolving into anarchy of might makes right is institutionalization

Remember - "Politics is war through other means" holds true.

Thats all I'm going to say

A realist would say it's about power. Other schools of thought disagree. Marxists would say it's about exploitation. Yadda yadda.

@Oddity

I choose to farm and I do it in a dangerous area. I'm not carebearing, but I'm choosing to play how I feel. If I felt like ruining someone's day, I'd do it in a videogame where consequences don't matter. Just how I fly.

[Canaris]

Wait, wait, wait. Where did I say anywhere that being a griefing aspie is "doing it wrong?"

Someone please point that out - because I never said that, anywhere. You choose to play the game however you like. But don't come into a thread and try to inform me that this game revolves around PvP. That's just, like, your opinion, man. Some of us would disagree, and no, it's not about "eternal farming."

Don't be an idiot.

There's more to this game than farming AND PvP.