Foragers vs Villagers

[Potjeh]

Yeah, sounds like you could really use some blueberry pies.

[sabinati]

while it's great that he spends a lot of time foraging and shares his excess with the group, you can't really just have 1 forager for a group, unless maybe your group is 2 people.

with the amount of items to find out there, it's better if you pick different directions and both go forage for some time every day. i usually spend about an hour a day foraging.

[cloakblade]

Stats versus skills stated like that is interesting but I usually find that all though stat grinding maybe more annoying (plow drinking without a macro can be annoying) it is still usually faster than lp grinding.


Take what I say with a grain of salt I'm not that experience:
From the stat character's perspective:
You are hitting the AGL cap so you are doing more things than him which may overcome the skill relation (I think you move 2-3 times more often then him someone can correct me).
Your opponent's attack meter and defense meter are 2x as deep as yours so when he hits it will hurt but I doubt with a full UA build he will ever one shot you (especially assuming his strength and you having better con).
The delta is an interesting point his detla is 1.41 while yours is .707 you can see the difference but I think the AGL bonus will make up for the difference.
Your strength won't matter till you break his defense which I believe you can do sense you will be able to flex up quicker than he can oaken or slide or any other combination.
^Feel free to correct any of the above.

Also how big is your group? Just you two? Or 5 people? Or more like 10?

[Tonkyhonk]

village management is rather stressful for many people, so many men, so many minds.

as for myself, i couldnt have fun dealing with all the internal problems, complaints, events, conflicts, or my own dislikes arising daily, and decided to stay away since w4. its harder especially when you know all are nice people, cause you cant even kick them lol i felt like i was a hotdog inside a bun pushed so hard from both sides (and slipped outside). i spent most of my time talking, not playing game and i was always too frustrated to have fun. i love talking, but you know, it really depends on topics and time (its much more fun just translating and talk about other people's business but not your own.)

anyways. i understand your frustration. im not an ambitious player, so lp gain does not worry me much, but still, its always sad to see someone starting later are ahead of you. the problem is rather that you feel guilty for foraging outside when your job is a miner/trader, no? (i felt too guilty for hunting for so long.)
i think it is frustrating for foragers too, its not like foragers are promised to find all good curios all the time.
a friend asked us what system we used the other day, saying all his farmers never stay to farm but go outside to forage. someone else was complaining on IRC that lately there were no decent farmers any more lol
so i bet this is not only your issue but some others are facing.

maybe youd better learn to become selfish yourself for fun, or learn to accept others selfishness for fun with respect, or if possible, talk with your own villagers for solutions or get more foragers like sabinati said.
(none of them worked well enough for me, though. i learned im not up to this on w3.)

maybe devs could let miners and farmers obtain a bit more curios out of their daily works to balance out with foragers later if we get heard. but it may be a tough work when we dont want bot companies to prosper.

[Shadow7168]

How about this: go looking for curios, and while your waiting to get your LP, grind stats?

[sabinati]

maybe devs could let miners and farmers obtain a bit more curios out of their daily works to balance out with foragers later if we get heard. but it may be a tough work when we dont want bot companies to prosper.

here's my thought on this:

miners have petrified seashell, strange crystal, tin soldier, bronze steed, tiny abacus, völva's wand, seer's bowl
farmers have wishbones and feather dusters if they raise chicken, straw dolls, seer's tealeaves, shewbread, poppies, and a couple of rare drop items
foragers have snapdragons, bluebells, edelweiss, royal toadstools, frog crowns, enthroned toads, lady's mantle, bloated bolettes, bladderwracks, brambles, thistles, itsy bitsy spider, itsy bitsy's web, ant soldiers, ant queens, ant empresses, stalagooms, glimmermoss, flotsam,and dandelions

there's just too many from foraging to not spend some time foraging every day. like i said, i forage about an hour a day, and that is usually enough for me to get my entroned toad fix and on lucky days a bluebell or edelweiss, with plenty of glimmermoss, stalagooms, and lady's mantles to trade.

[Foarl]

My group is smallish. We don't have room for more than one dedicated forager. I think I'm going to lighten up a bit though and take time out of my day to forage to help deal with it.

That being said, I still think foraging has too much control over the curio supply at the moment. However, I think potjeh pointed out that with max int needed smithing produces some very very solid curios. As those get up higher they should rival foraging in the 50/50 range for the mixture you'll be using in your mentory. It's just unbalanced for settlements who don't have that metal Q and int as of yet.

But yeah... I think you guys are right. I need to change my attitude. It can't be "all for the village". I have room for personal time and I can use that for foraging if I want to.

[Tonkyhonk]

there's just too many from foraging to not spend some time foraging every day. like i said, i forage about an hour a day, and that is usually enough for me to get my entroned toad fix and on lucky days a bluebell or edelweiss, with plenty of glimmermoss, stalagooms, and lady's mantles to trade.

yes, and so do i, though im playing slow enough not to find those fancy ones of what you listed

but that is to assume everyone plays at least more than 2 hours everyday and preferably not at the same time. of course you can consult areas with others, the world is big enough, but that also brings more luck factors which can often creates some complaints. (well maybe not for the experienced, but for new-ish players)
if all villagers play many hours and agree, yes, everyone should explore and forage, then there wont be problems, but in his case, the said forager is disagreeing, and instead blaming the thread starter, isnt he? (and i know some more who do the same... maybe worth kicking?)

for the time being, "just go out and forage yourself" will be the best solution, but since jorb and loftar did talk about balancing out curios efficiency later on, i think this is worth considering.

[Sevenless]

I've decided it's worth using my personal time for me instead of for the village. If that means I have to forage, so be it I suppose.

I think jorb/loftar are trying to find a balance, but it's hard to know where that will be when crafted curios get better and better as time progresses and foraged ones stay stationary.

As for my forager, he's arguing that the stat grind I do via mining should make up for the lack of LP I'm losing through foraging. And that I should be in the village working on stuff instead of out foraging because that's what he does.

[daemmonium]

Feed INT. Seriously, I'm at 78 (w/ alcohol buff) at -3 to barb. Now it may sound as too much, but from time to time you wont have those tasty curios and will have to use a crap or 2. Specially when you're doing works for the village.