Updated wiki FEP article

[MagicManICT]

HA!! I found the offending bit of misinformation!!!

To increase a stat, you must initially accumulate a number of FEPs equal to your highest attribute (ignoring modifiers). Accumulating FEPs that contribute to different attributes, however, will lower the total number required

I hereby and irrevocably nuke this crap!!

edit: Made a couple of changes to the first section so things at least can be read.

[Sitting_Bill]

Thanks for the extra information, but the formula I posted is directly from Loftar. If you're saying he's wrong, please write and correct him.

I know the formula posted so far isn't perfect. My high end math skills are rusty and again, I'm trying to come up with a page that's accurate as well as easy to read for anyone without strong math skills. Everyone's help is appreciated.

This is a busy weekend for me, so I probably won't get time to update this thread or the wiki with what I'm working on. I certainly don't own the information posted there, so feel free to sign up and edit in or post what you think will help on the talk page.

Yeah, as I said, the formula you posted is completely correct, however the wiki page (and everyone else) seems to interpret what Loftar said as being that the "max stat" is "FEP required for a raise", which I am 100% sure is not what he meant. The formula is NOT iterative, as you can see from a simple test... the "variety bonus" for EVERY new food eaten within each raise is 0.632*sqrt(max STAT). See images below for "proof", but it seems like people aren't going to believe me until they check it themselves .


2*sqrt(61/10)=4.9 (to 1 decimal place)
# foods FEP req Difference
0 61
1 56.1 4.9
2 51.2 4.9
3 46.3 4.9
4 41.4 4.9

Yeah, sorry for going on about this and well done on removing that horrible misinformation, I was so confused by that up until about a week ago when I did my own tests . I'll try to put something on the wiki sometime, but I've never played with wikis before, and I also have quite a busy few days...

Cheers

Gunnar

[MagicManICT]

Yeah, as I said, the formula you posted is completely correct, however the wiki page (and everyone else) seems to interpret what Loftar said as being that the "max stat" is "FEP required for a raise", which I am 100% sure is not what he meant.

Again, thanks for the information and pictures. This will definitely help out in my write up. I made that addition in there because I was thinking the formula was doing something it obviously doesn't do. I'll try to get a fix in by the middle of the week, but just don't think I can do it before then.

[DatOneGuy]

Guess I was wrong, thanks for checking, I thought it was otherwise, recall testing in W3, guess that was too long ago.

[MagicManICT]

Ok, I've got the right formula information in there! (I think!) I'm not sure how to go on, though. So much of it just needs to be completely reorganized. It reads like how it was written: in pieces by several people and not edited.

Rather, I believe I explained how the function works properly. Again, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[Sitting_Bill]

Yeah what you wrote looks great, good job. IMO everything in there is good, apart from the "Example" section that needs the numbers changed to be correct.

[MagicManICT]

Yeah what you wrote looks great, good job. IMO everything in there is good, apart from the "Example" section that needs the numbers changed to be correct.

Yeah, I think I'm just going to nuke that whole section. I'm not entirely sure yet. I'm of the opinion examples should be given immediately with whatever is being explained.

[SuchANerd]

Something that I havn't seen anywhere on the wiki is the FEP reduction provided by drinking wine. Maybe it is worth a mention on that page you are working on ?

Wine doesn't provide any FEP, but it does reduce the total amount needed if you drink it after the first food (to put it otherwise : it doesn't work when the FEP bar is empty) which make it a very good variety food IMO since it is so easy to produce and can go well with any type of stat you are trying to get.

[MagicManICT]

Something that I havn't seen anywhere on the wiki is the FEP reduction provided by drinking wine. Maybe it is worth a mention on that page you are working on ?

I didn't realize this. It's considered common knowledge among the vet players, too. It should probably go on the wine page, though.

I've never used beer for anything other than sausages. Does it count to reduce FEP, too?

[Sevenless]

Something that I havn't seen anywhere on the wiki is the FEP reduction provided by drinking wine. Maybe it is worth a mention on that page you are working on ?

I didn't realize this. It's considered common knowledge among the vet players, too. It should probably go on the wine page, though.

I've never used beer for anything other than sausages. Does it count to reduce FEP, too?

I believe it does actually. I remember using both alcohol types as FEP variety when leveling my PSY because they didn't add in contamination. Pretty easy to test that though.