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Re: silk

Postby killette2 » Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:57 pm

So super good mulberry leaves are useless? They won't make worms grow up stronger, just keep them from being weaker?
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Re: silk

Postby MagicManICT » Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:54 pm

killette2 wrote:So super good mulberry leaves are useless? They won't make worms grow up stronger, just keep them from being weaker?


Yeah. They're completely useless. :roll:

Think about it for a minute. What do the worms do when they eat leaves? (Here's a hint: http://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/Sericulture)
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Re: silk

Postby killette2 » Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:58 pm

So selective breeding moths IS recommended?
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Re: silk

Postby MagicManICT » Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:00 pm

killette2 wrote:So selective breeding moths IS recommended?


As best as you can. Usually your group of breeding eggs are going to be within 1-2 points of each other after your first or second generation and depending on the size of your silk farm.
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Re: silk

Postby Sevenless » Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:45 pm

MagicManICT wrote:
killette2 wrote:So selective breeding moths IS recommended?


As best as you can. Usually your group of breeding eggs are going to be within 1-2 points of each other after your first or second generation and depending on the size of your silk farm.


My farmer has managed to raise the Q of our silkworms above the leaf quality something like 1 point every... what was it... 2-3 generations? Of course we got better mulberries shortly after, but still he proved it was possible.

In the end the final Q of your silkworms almost always moves towards your leaf Q. With mild selective breeding the -5/+5 on the eggs lets you gain 1-2 pts of quality in worms per gen as long as leaf quality is higher. Herb table will come into play, but it's easy to get a higher quality table than your mulberry trees generally speaking.
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Re: silk

Postby MagicManICT » Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:59 pm

Sevenless wrote:
MagicManICT wrote:
killette2 wrote:So selective breeding moths IS recommended?


As best as you can. Usually your group of breeding eggs are going to be within 1-2 points of each other after your first or second generation and depending on the size of your silk farm.


My farmer has managed to raise the Q of our silkworms above the leaf quality something like 1 point every... what was it... 2-3 generations? Of course we got better mulberries shortly after, but still he proved it was possible.

In the end the final Q of your silkworms almost always moves towards your leaf Q. With mild selective breeding the -5/+5 on the eggs lets you gain 1-2 pts of quality in worms per gen as long as leaf quality is higher. Herb table will come into play, but it's easy to get a higher quality table than your mulberry trees generally speaking.


My point was that most start up cycles are like this: catch first moths, hatch, and breed that whole group of eggs. After that, a person can keep multiplying (until they can fill a half dozen cupboards or more with silk production) and/or start selecting out the crap eggs and selectively breeding. After that, your breeding stock is going to be only a couple points apart giving you a better chance at increasing quality without better trees. (Hope I explained what I was trying to say better.)

I don't think chances are even going to be one quality point per generation unless you're actively breeding a very large number at each generation. I'd have to work out some math to come up with it, though, figuring in the average number of matings you get per pair of eggs, etc. Otherwise, you have to separate out your eggs that will make this +1 generation and hold them until you get enough to mitigate the odd random chances of getting all one sex. (I like 10 for moth breeding.) That makes the rate of increase something like the odds of getting a +5 egg from a moth multiplied by the number of eggs breeding divided by the chance a particular moth won't mate.
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Re: silk

Postby Eemerald » Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:04 pm

thats useful, thanks.
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Re: silk

Postby cloakblade » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:32 pm

Please use the search function. I know it is easy to just make a quick post or to want clarification.

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Pretty much a full break down of what effects silk quality.
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