When does the next world start? plz

[ThePilfererOfHearths]

Maybe give it a year or two? So we can see a mature server for once.
If you think you'll be on equal footing with everyone else with only a few days of experience in the game compared to everyone who consistently has played for the whole world, I've got some really bad news for you.

Yeah, I'm curiours about how would mature world look like. I can already see all caves claimed, even whole mountains and swamps. Some villages growing to the size of whole supergrid. Biggest villages already have players with hundreds of strength, capable of killing anyone and destroying any wall.

IMO, in few months there will be only few villages left with people with insane amount of stats - people in best villages won't die, all the others will. Any potentialy valuable place will be claimed. All lesser villages and hermits will be destroyed / killed by bored people from biggest villages. There will be no place for hermits or new players.

Well, to me it seems like regular server restarts will be required. Not that I would vote for it to happen now, but I believe that at some point players in villages will get bored and others will not be able to find place for themselves in this dangerous world. Also I think that everyone likes the part of the game when you develop your place, search for resources, increase quality of stuff etc.

A simple solution to a grand problem: join a village.

[Radiant_Maelstrom]

Yeah, I'm curiours about how would mature world look like. I can already see all caves claimed, even whole mountains and swamps. Some villages growing to the size of whole supergrid. Biggest villages already have players with hundreds of strength, capable of killing anyone and destroying any wall.

IMO, in few months there will be only few villages left with people with insane amount of stats - people in best villages won't die, all the others will. Any potentialy valuable place will be claimed. All lesser villages and hermits will be destroyed / killed by bored people from biggest villages. There will be no place for hermits or new players.

Well, to me it seems like regular server restarts will be required. Not that I would vote for it to happen now, but I believe that at some point players in villages will get bored and others will not be able to find place for themselves in this dangerous world. Also I think that everyone likes the part of the game when you develop your place, search for resources, increase quality of stuff etc.

No offense but I don't think you're experienced enough to predict what worlds look like in the future. Heck most of the veterans won't be able to pinpoint a precise future. You're also assuming that everyone is an asshole that wants to kill those weaker than themselves and that is pretty much setting yourself where you will be in your own scenario.

Also resets won't happen unless there is major damage that needs to be undone or a entirely new feature needs to be implemented and the feature requires a reset for balance reasons or that it cannot be hotswapped in. If resets happen often, then you are eliminating a big point of this game: building a village, obtaining resource spot.

Oh yeah, hermits and small villagers that knows the game will can do a pretty damn good job as well. Potentially they can actually be better than large villages as they are not honking huge targets political wise either.

[Procne]

Oh, but that's not a solution at all. Villages are hit by this problem just like anyone else.
Villages are raided too, unless you belong to one of the toughest village in the world. And when new player joins such a village almost whole aspect of developing is gone, since that person has everything from start.

There are different kinds of players and different kinds of gameplay. I believe that in mature world all that will be left will be waging wars (for veterans) or becoming a peon in a village (for a new players). Until one village remains. Game is constantly shifting towards this direction - it's harder and harder to play alone, more and more villages are raided. And the ones that do the raiding are getting more and more powerful.

It's like Travian - from the beginning of the server there are some factions and at some point they are all that remains - all players either join some faction or are crushed. Then factions fight with each other until one is left. Around that point game becomes boring and most players (of those that are left) leave. Travian has its end game and end of the world is always fixed. Here end of the world happens when server goes down or some major development is done. But even without it world would have to be nuked from time to time.

The question is how long time can server run until it becomes too boring. Maybe we will see some day.
BTW what was the longest time that single world last?

[Hourai_Chimes]

Implying that killing noobs over and over again doesn't get boring after the 50th time.

w3 = 1 year.

also hnh != travian

[Procne]

No offense but I don't think you're experienced enough to predict what worlds look like in the future. Heck most of the veterans won't be able to pinpoint a precise future. You're also assuming that everyone is an asshole that wants to kill those weaker than themselves and that is pretty much setting yourself where you will be in your own scenario.

No offense taken, I'm aware that my experience is not even close to what veterans know. But I'm not assuming everyone is an asshole. I assume that people with most power are (at least in some way). I assume that they are the ones who are doing the raids. Because they can, because they have the power. I have met some people who will kill others and loot their place just because they can. Those people grow in power fast. And once they have everything - what will they do? They will be bored and just destroy anything they can find. In the end they will be the only ones left.

Also resets won't happen unless there is major damage that needs to be undone or a entirely new feature needs to be implemented and the feature requires a reset for balance reasons or that it cannot be hotswapped in. If resets happen often, then you are eliminating a big point of this game: building a village, obtaining resource spot.

I think it may apply also to the situation when world is controlled by single or few factions and there is no place for other people. Anyway, it all comes down to the number of players. If people get bored or find no place for themselves and number of players drops - why not restart the world?

Oh yeah, hermits and small villagers that knows the game will can do a pretty damn good job as well. Potentially they can actually be better than large villages as they are not honking huge targets political wise either.

If they manage to build brickwall - maybe. However they cannot defend themselves so easily. Besides, when there are no huge targets, or they are not that easily accessible - what will bored griefer do?

[Procne]

Implying that killing noobs over and over again doesn't get boring after the 50th time.

w3 = 1 year.

also hnh != travian

Well, I don't know how is it fun for the first time. Some people find fun in making others angry and miserable. I don't think they would get bored.

And I used travian as an example of another game with open PvP with permanent death. That's how those games work - people keep killing each other until only the strongest survives.

Anyway, since w3 lasted that long - how did it look like in the end? It ended in november / december, right?
How may people were playing back then?

[TeckXKnight]

We were pretty much capped at ~200-300 people on at a time or the server would crash and it was a really peaceful, boring world. Raids were rare and cities were entirely secure. You could place your village just about anywhere and never really worry too much except for the occasional uppity thief or vandal alt. There were quite a few large factions and they were constantly competing in terms of trade and military prowess. You also had lots of small villages carving out names for themselves and building a history.

A peaceful world where not a lot happened, I think sums it up.

[Neptjunoue]

Sodom was the most powerful force for some time in world 3. What is their biggest known accomplishment? They pretty much built a huge separate village that served as an enforced neutral trading ground. A majority of the people of the game went there primarily to trade. People can do some pretty creative ideas when bored. Speaking of world 3, Sodom and AD was in the midst of a cold war against each other before a game breaking data corruption forced the developers into an early reset. For the most part though, there wasn't large amount of rampant raiders especially if Sodom was tracking criminals actively.

In Haven and Hearth there are several ways to bring down a powerful faction. While both Haven and Hearth and Travian have such features with perma-death, they are also different in meta-games as well as game-play and method. Essentially it's compared an apple to an orange.

If they manage to build brickwall - maybe. However they cannot defend themselves so easily. Besides, when there are no huge targets, or they are not that easily accessible - what will bored griefer do?

Take my words for it when I say it's near impossible to attack a proper brickwall defense. Unfortunately many raiders use this as well in the form of hearthvaults which is virtually unbreakable if constructed correctly. Right now it's a big anarchic due to lack of developer presence (jorb just got back a few weeks ago, loftar still MIA) to try to rectify the hearthvault problem.

What would someone do if they keep beating enemies on easy mode? Well easy mode gets boring after a while. Essentially they do two things: 1) Find a challenge. 2) They do it to hear people whine in Congress.

[Procne]

Hmm I remember playing in w3 for a while and it seemed quite peaceful - Noone ever attacked me or stole . I have also managed to find unclaimed ql 69 clay node.

Now with w5 it seems different - I have been murdered twice, with 2 or 3 more attempts. My place used to be looted everyday until I built palisade, and after that it was looted again with everything destroyed inside palisade.

Anyway, how can you make proper brickwall defense that's impossible to attack? I have seen threads showing how attackers defend their rams, where it's impossible to stop attackers if you are not stronger than them

[Potjeh]

You know nothing, Jon Snow. It's utterly impossible to ram a brick wall if the opponent has anything resembling soldiers. You can't have a big enough guard for the ram for the whole 24h. The skeleton crew that stays on guard duty while most of your force is offline will quickly get butchered by a sally.