Is the gender acquired when taming Mouflons random or not?

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Re: Is the gender acquired when taming Mouflons random or no

Postby Lupich » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:36 pm

naosnule wrote:So I expected the gender distribution to be about even, but when I tried to tame a heard, 9 out of 9 mouflons turned into male sheep.


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Re: Is the gender acquired when taming Mouflons random or no

Postby Sevenless » Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:52 pm

SuperNoob wrote:Closest thing I can think of to compare it is more like a roulette wheel(ignore the 0 and 00) odds of hitting red or black 10 straight times are more likely than flipping a coin and getting heads or tails 10 straight times but they're both still at even odds...


Unless you've got some pretty funky maths to explain that and you used the wrong words, that's exactly what the term "even odds" refers to. Same probability of things happening relative to each other.

Feel free to enlighten though, I'm no math major.
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Re: Is the gender acquired when taming Mouflons random or no

Postby calebsnow » Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:31 pm

Sevenless wrote:
SuperNoob wrote:Closest thing I can think of to compare it is more like a roulette wheel(ignore the 0 and 00) odds of hitting red or black 10 straight times are more likely than flipping a coin and getting heads or tails 10 straight times but they're both still at even odds...


Unless you've got some pretty funky maths to explain that and you used the wrong words, that's exactly what the term "even odds" refers to. Same probability of things happening relative to each other.

Feel free to enlighten though, I'm no math major.


sometimes you get all male, sometimes you get all female.
The last time I was taming (a few days ago) there was a male and female sheep, and same with the cows.
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Re: Is the gender acquired when taming Mouflons random or no

Postby SuperNoob » Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:59 am

Sevenless wrote:
SuperNoob wrote:Closest thing I can think of to compare it is more like a roulette wheel(ignore the 0 and 00) odds of hitting red or black 10 straight times are more likely than flipping a coin and getting heads or tails 10 straight times but they're both still at even odds...


Unless you've got some pretty funky maths to explain that and you used the wrong words, that's exactly what the term "even odds" refers to. Same probability of things happening relative to each other.

Feel free to enlighten though, I'm no math major.

I thought the roulette wheel was a good example...

it really is a 50-50 thing, but its not a 1 of 2 thing. the coin flip only has 2 options so at 50-50 flipping a coin you probably won't get the same thing more than a few times straight. a roulette wheel(again ignoring the green) has 36 options half red half black. so its not hitting the exact same thing each time, but 1 of the other 17 of that same color. RNG has even more than those 36...so as I pointed out its an even odd thing when you only have 2 choices. so your first random number could be 7, the next 5483. those are nowhere near each other and the only thing thats similar is that they're both odd. add to that there are others using the same RNG for things they're doing all across the server and you'll see that even though you have a 50-50 chance of getting something it doesn't mean its favorable.

I didn't really like probability, but I know when flipping a coin 100 times you'll get about 50-50 heads/tails. when running a RNG 100 times but having others use it between your uses it probably won't be anywhere near 50-50 even/odd for you. hope that makes sense because I'm horrible at explaining things like this.
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Re: Is the gender acquired when taming Mouflons random or no

Postby Haho9 » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:37 pm

SuperNoob wrote:
Sevenless wrote:
SuperNoob wrote:Closest thing I can think of to compare it is more like a roulette wheel(ignore the 0 and 00) odds of hitting red or black 10 straight times are more likely than flipping a coin and getting heads or tails 10 straight times but they're both still at even odds...


Unless you've got some pretty funky maths to explain that and you used the wrong words, that's exactly what the term "even odds" refers to. Same probability of things happening relative to each other.

Feel free to enlighten though, I'm no math major.

I thought the roulette wheel was a good example...

it really is a 50-50 thing, but its not a 1 of 2 thing. the coin flip only has 2 options so at 50-50 flipping a coin you probably won't get the same thing more than a few times straight. a roulette wheel(again ignoring the green) has 36 options half red half black. so its not hitting the exact same thing each time, but 1 of the other 17 of that same color. RNG has even more than those 36...so as I pointed out its an even odd thing when you only have 2 choices. so your first random number could be 7, the next 5483. those are nowhere near each other and the only thing thats similar is that they're both odd. add to that there are others using the same RNG for things they're doing all across the server and you'll see that even though you have a 50-50 chance of getting something it doesn't mean its favorable.

I didn't really like probability, but I know when flipping a coin 100 times you'll get about 50-50 heads/tails. when running a RNG 100 times but having others use it between your uses it probably won't be anywhere near 50-50 even/odd for you. hope that makes sense because I'm horrible at explaining things like this.


I'm sorry, but do you understand probability at all? Just because there are 18 red and 18 black doesn't mean that a streak of one color is more likely. The rolls (or spins, or coin-flips) are independent, meaning that each has exactly the same probability. Getting a flip of heads is exactly 50% likely each time, regardless of how many heads were flipped before. Your argument that RNG has a near infinite pool of numbers to draw from doesn't make the game more likely to give out lucky/unlucky streaks. In regards to getting 9/9 male sheep, the probability of that happening is 1/512, meaning if you tamed 9 sheep, your odds of getting a single gender for each are highly improbable, but nowhere near impossible.
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Re: Is the gender acquired when taming Mouflons random or no

Postby SuperNoob » Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:15 pm

Haho9 wrote:I'm sorry, but do you understand probability at all? Just because there are 18 red and 18 black doesn't mean that a streak of one color is more likely. The rolls (or spins, or coin-flips) are independent, meaning that each has exactly the same probability. Getting a flip of heads is exactly 50% likely each time, regardless of how many heads were flipped before. Your argument that RNG has a near infinite pool of numbers to draw from doesn't make the game more likely to give out lucky/unlucky streaks. In regards to getting 9/9 male sheep, the probability of that happening is 1/512, meaning if you tamed 9 sheep, your odds of getting a single gender for each are highly improbable, but nowhere near impossible.

of course I do took it years ago in college. I didn't say it was more likely, just that its more "possible"!
RNG has even more than those 36...so as I pointed out its an even odd thing when you only have 2 choices. so your first random number could be 7, the next 5483. those are nowhere near each other and the only thing thats similar is that they're both odd. add to that there are others using the same RNG for things they're doing all across the server and you'll see that even though you have a 50-50 chance of getting something it doesn't mean its favorable.
focus on this part more.

but:
Haho9 wrote:Getting a flip of heads is exactly 50% likely each time, regardless of how many heads were flipped before.
this has been the point I was trying to explain anyway...well that paired with randomness.
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Re: Is the gender acquired when taming Mouflons random or no

Postby borka » Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:07 am

come on stop this discussion please - it's getting too much away from topic
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Re: Is the gender acquired when taming Mouflons random or no

Postby bmjclark » Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:07 am

I for one think jorb sits behind the keyboard laughing as he makes all the mouflon males.
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