Read Guide, But newbie still stuck,

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Re: Read Guide, But newbie still stuck,

Postby Cookie » Sun Feb 07, 2010 11:23 pm

I find that up to 20 pts of exploration or so there is a measurable gain in finding more roots and stuff and after that the investment is not as important as other things. Up to 10 is essential.

I wouldn't worry about making sure your food gives fep until you are sure of a secure food supply. Low q food still fills the belly and keeps the character alive. Some low q fish -eels, plaice, sturgeon give fep even at quite low q that is below 10.

In fact, if you are near water, I would go so far as to invest in either Stone working (to make rock lobster lures) or Carpentry (to make wood fish lures and a house to protect your baskets and supplies from decay) so that I could check out the local fishing. If they rarely bite you can use fishing as a back up potential source of food. If you are popping plaice and sturgeon out of the water as fast as you can throw in your hook, you are in gravy. Note also that if you are fishing mid-day and mid-night seems to be the worst times to fish and dawn and dusk the best times.

Plaice gives perception fep, and perception fep does much the same as exploration. It allows you to spot more herbs and things.

Next time some stinking bear attacks your poor defenseless character and then camps your helpless form just wait until the bear is not aggro'd -the picture of the bear in the top corner will disappear. Then, despite being unconscious, mauled and bleeding log out and go put on a load of laundry or make a cup of tea. After five or ten minutes log back in. If you log in to hearth you may be far away from the bear. Failing that, snuffling around and unable to find his snack, the bear will have wandered off some distance and it will be much easier for you to stand up, scoot off and put a rock or a tree between him and you and then tiptoe carefully off in whatever direction leaves the obstacle between you and him.
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Re: Read Guide, But newbie still stuck,

Postby DarkConvict » Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:37 am

Ok, the New Character so far

Skills
Exploration 5
Survival 2
Rest all one
General stats all 10

Skills
Carpentry
Farming
Forging
Hunting
Lumberjacking
Plant Lore
+3 starting ones.

I have killed 4 rabbits, and put the skins the drying frame, now i have bone i have a saw and stone axe. I built a wooden plow and made 10x4 patch of onions. Got 3 leanto's with 4 baskets inside them + wooden plow.
Found 3 roots to be used as string, so 3 more and i can get a sling.
How do you get bait for the fishing road?

Food is on the red bar, so still not in great supply yet.

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Re: Read Guide, But newbie still stuck,

Postby Cookie » Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:50 am

Bait is either worms which you have to dig, using the pottery skill to get the ability to dig, or leeches which you get by standing in the right kind of marsh where they attach to you and get picked out of your equipment and transfered to inventory. Worms are totally impractical. They burn more calories digging than you get from the fish you catch. I only dig worms when I am already digging soil to plant trees with. Leeches are only found in a bluey-green marsh that appears bluey-green in the minimap. If you've got them you are in luck because bait has to be replaced with each cast, but it provides a guaranteed fish.

Failing bait, make a lure. A wood block made from a stump makes a wood fish. You can reuse it until one day it will disappear. In the meantime however, it only sometimes catches a fish.

A rock lobster can be made from chipping a stone from a boulder.

A pine cone plug is made from a pine cone and a piece of birch bark. Depending on where you are, the place to look for the missing type of tree is the territory that appears pink on the map (heath) or the territory that appears yellow on the map (moor) or the territory that appears a solid bright apple green (grassland). Any of those territories have a change of having either type of tree.

If you are really desperate for food and willing to cheat....

Give yourself a hearth secret. Log out. Create an alt. Have him speak to Mr. Holmes in the top corner of the character creation room. When he arrives have him unload his bread and then log out. Log your main character back in again and start eating!

But don't burn through stamina while you are hungry like that in the red or you will starve real quick.
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Re: Read Guide, But newbie still stuck,

Postby Potjeh » Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:20 am

I see on your minimap you've got some moorland next to you. That's great, because it spawns chickens which come in fairly large flocks (6-7). You can catch them just like rabbits, and they're fairly common so you'll have a nice supply of meat if you regularly check that terrain.
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Re: Read Guide, But newbie still stuck,

Postby DarkConvict » Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:55 am

I found and killed a few chickens, trying to tan leather now, but got into some trouble...

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Going to leave him to repsawn back at the fire because i am actually trapped under them all.
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Re: Read Guide, But newbie still stuck,

Postby Potjeh » Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:30 pm

Heh, I thought people told you not to mess with herd animals. Anyway, you may want to go find yourself some leeches while you still have a decent number of hit points - leech healing sucks when you're down to just a couple of HHP.
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Re: Read Guide, But newbie still stuck,

Postby DarkConvict » Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:45 pm

I certainly do know about it now.

i tried to hunt, but the fox was level 9 so i didnt stand a chance even with it penned in. I started to fish but only got 3-4 after several attempts, so went on the move to find grass land. I found some, although well occupied already and very much deforested, i plan to move up for the apple trees this evening.
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Re: Read Guide, But newbie still stuck,

Postby DarkConvict » Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:09 am

Got another question.

I have moved the camp and setup shop, got a source of food. Slight problem, no water. Regardless of the boat the place is actually quite landlocked here, so i need a well. The grass land is well occupied by abandoned houses, sadly i wish i realised this before building my own :) (long time to build with lag) Should just have borrows the existing houses, Nevertheless the problem is water.

Is it possible to get water from a well not built by yourself, i have tried on 2 wells and been unsuccessful, i use the bucket the animation plays, but no water in the bucket. Sadly players have have built on all nearby water spots and it would be quite a hike to the nearest one to build a well. Am i using the well wrong or do i need to build one?

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Re: Read Guide, But newbie still stuck,

Postby Potjeh » Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:16 am

You're probably not waiting long enough with the bucket. he bucket in the animation needs to both lower and raise before your bucket on cursor is filled.
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Re: Read Guide, But newbie still stuck,

Postby Flocke » Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:20 am

Is it possible to get water from a well not built by yourself?

yes!

"left-click on the bucket in your inventory screen, then right-click on a well to fill the bucket"
and after awhile (when the animation stopped) you can see no water in your bucket?
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