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Re: Foragers vs Villagers - Move to congress please

Postby Sevenless » Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:29 pm

daemmonium wrote:Feed INT. Seriously, I'm at 78 (w/ alcohol buff) at -3 to barb. Now it may sound as too much, but from time to time you wont have those tasty curios and will have to use a crap or 2. Specially when you're doing works for the village.


Doing so as we speak. I've started running a fishing alt just to feed my main. I figure once I can use abacus/steed/soldier/tealeaves/shewbread and still have room to fill the rest with forageable curios I should be good to go.
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Re: Foragers vs Villagers - Move to congress please

Postby daemmonium » Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:46 pm

Sevenless wrote:
daemmonium wrote:Feed INT. Seriously, I'm at 78 (w/ alcohol buff) at -3 to barb. Now it may sound as too much, but from time to time you wont have those tasty curios and will have to use a crap or 2. Specially when you're doing works for the village.


Doing so as we speak. I've started running a fishing alt just to feed my main. I figure once I can use abacus/steed/soldier/tealeaves/shewbread and still have room to fill the rest with forageable curios I should be good to go.


Well, I farmed my STR a lot before I had any serious INT, so I was a bit delayed. Then I realized I could combo just everything. So Blueberries + Blueberry Pies + Perch + Perched Perchs + , and I raised fairly fast.
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Re: Foragers vs Villagers

Postby cloakblade » Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:02 pm

Sevenless wrote:
daemmonium wrote:Feed INT. Seriously, I'm at 78 (w/ alcohol buff) at -3 to barb. Now it may sound as too much, but from time to time you wont have those tasty curios and will have to use a crap or 2. Specially when you're doing works for the village.


Doing so as we speak. I've started running a fishing alt just to feed my main. I figure once I can use abacus/steed/soldier/tealeaves/shewbread and still have room to fill the rest with forageable curios I should be good to go.


Don't mess your other stats up while massing INT (at least not too bad).

Also:
sabinati wrote:miners have petrified seashell, strange crystal, tin soldier, bronze steed, tiny abacus, völva's wand, seer's bowl
farmers have wishbones and feather dusters if they raise chicken, straw dolls, seer's tealeaves, shewbread, poppies, and a couple of rare drop items
foragers have snapdragons, bluebells, edelweiss, royal toadstools, frog crowns, enthroned toads, lady's mantle, bloated bolettes, bladderwracks, brambles, thistles, itsy bitsy spider, itsy bitsy's web, ant soldiers, ant queens, ant empresses, stalagooms, glimmermoss, flotsam,and dandelions

I'd still like to see miners get more curios (even though mining is such an important part of being a serious village). If not simply because Petrified seashell and strange crystal are terrible.
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Re: Foragers vs Villagers

Postby sabinati » Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:25 pm

the mining curios are terrible, but the metal curios are awesome
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Re: Foragers vs Villagers

Postby daemmonium » Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:58 pm

sabinati wrote:but the metal curios are awesome


This certainly. I see people selling their soul to get a Flotsam/Edelweiss/Bluebell, and when you ask them, the last thing they have in their mental inventory, is a bronze steed. Just let it be there, and you wont regret it.
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Re: Foragers vs Villagers

Postby Sevenless » Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:16 pm

Don't mess your other stats up while massing INT (at least not too bad).


I tend to keep the stats I want to raise (I said fuck it to dex and psyche other than the accidental raise here and there) within 10-20 points of my int. I don't think that's overly unreasonable.
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Re: Foragers vs Villagers - Move to congress please

Postby Phaen » Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:02 am

Sevenless wrote:he's arguing [...] that I should be in the village working on stuff instead of out foraging because that's what he does.
Eh. The demand for curios is massive, so there's no way for you to "take" his job. And you certainly don't don't owe 100% of your time to the group.

You should not expect him to hand over his flotsam and he should not expect you to not search for your own.

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Re: Foragers vs Villagers

Postby Bodolf » Tue May 03, 2011 5:16 am

Sounds like the problem in your village is this player thinking curio foraging is a real full time job ^^ (at least in a small community).

From my experience, foraging is necessary for everyone- that is if you ever want to see the best curios regularly and keep up a steady LP gain.

If your village members still giving you flak, another way to look at things is that he's the one being selfish and not contributing to village development- spending all his time foraging for curios (and naturally keeping the best), when really that should only supplement his in-village role. A better way to divide labor is through Nature/Industry specific jobs, with both of you taking equal time out (or however much you personally need) to forage for curios/ingredients.

Edit: a more interesting discussion would be Nature vs Industry, imo.
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Re: Foragers vs Villagers

Postby MaryShaw » Tue May 03, 2011 8:03 pm

Sevenless wrote:
I'm not supposed to go out foraging because that's his job, but the better curios are rare enough that there isn't extra ones very often of the best shit. He's generous with everything else, but flotsam and etc he's getting that I almost never see are really pumping his LP total. He argues it's his right because it's his job to forage. And he's also telling me that my stat grinding should "make up for it". And in the same breath, if I trade for a curio and used it for myself he would call that unfair since it's village materials going into the trade. Now that I spend a fair amount of time chatting with people to trade, he's also been buzzing at me that I'm "not doing anything" despite the fact that I have to sit in front of the village gate for 10 minutes because I don't know when the local will show up with stuff.

Basically... am I justified in thinking this situation is a touch unfair? And do you think it's fair if I want to use the first flotsam I trade for myself? And does my better stats really make up for the fact that in another 1.5 months he'll have almost double my LP?



The most important thing is that this is a game and you wanna have fun with it, won't you?

This is how things work in my village. Although we are not that big, still everybody got a special job to do. I'm the farmer and the cook so that leaves me with 13 fields to watch over and some hungry mouth to feed every day. Still every day there comes the moment when I am sick of doing my chores for the village, so I go out foraging, for fun (and of course to also get blueberries and chantrelles and stuff for cooking). I also keep the very good curios I find for myself, why shouldn't I? Everybody in my village is free to go out and look for curios whenever they want to. I know my hunter must have a lot of curios in his house, well he found them so they are his.
But we do have a cupboard in the village just for curios, so when I feel like sharing because I got very lucky to find 3 or 4 rare ones, then I do so. Otherwise this cupboard is always filled with craftable curios, so nobody is left behind. There are always curios around, maybe not always the best ones but still.

We all know what jobs we have to do, but nobody in my village is forced to do just his job all day long. My villagers are free to do whatever they want, who am I to tell them otherwise? This is just a game, and I want my villagers to have fun playing. If the game becomes a burden or an obligation then my villagers would soon quit for sure. ;)

If you feel left behind with your lp then my advise is go out for yourself and see what you can find, keep it for yourself, just because you are a village member that doesn't automatically mean you have to share everything with your mates. That's just my opinion. :)
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