Missing Chickens & Empty Cupboards

[DatOneGuy]

Griefing encompasses too many aspects of play in this game, and in all games. It's a very broad term that doesn't really need to be broken down to a cut and dry definition. From one persons PoV something may be considered griefing, but others might see it differently. A lot of it has to do with motives, which most of the time we can't be sure of.

As far as I'm concerned, any unprovoked act of disrupting another persons playing experience is considered griefing to some extent. Now that's not to say that when person A stole person B's fish from his basket, he wasn't doing it to fuck with person B but rather because he had been unable to locate food and was on the verge of death as it was. But to person B it's no less of an act of grief than if person C, fully fed and of in no need of the fish, came along and destroyed his basket for funsies.

There is a clear difference, while I definitely understand approaching in a consequentialist sense, griefing is at it's heart doing something just because, the same way trolling is on forums. If you have a reason to do it, you're not trolling. If you're doing it ONLY to encite emotional anguish, it is trolling.

While from that person's point of view he was wrong, he was not 'griefed' by a stolen fish.

[kserswilldie]

certainly a distinction can be made if we're sure of the person in questions motives
but in this instance, like many others, the motives are unknown

I still say that until the motives can be found out, or more information surfaces to change the situation as it was presented to us, it's griefing. Since all we know is that the OP has suffered because of the act.

I'm not saying we should organize a mob and chase down the perp w/ pitchforks and torches, but given the information stated in the OP, it most certainly could be an act of griefing, albeit a small one.

not that any of this really matters lol

ps, why is the server going down?

[DatOneGuy]

certainly a distinction can be made if we're sure of the person in questions motives
but in this instance, like many others, the motives are unknown

I still say that until the motives can be found out, or more information surfaces to change the situation as it was presented to us, it's griefing. Since all we know is that the OP has suffered because of the act.

I'm not saying we should organize a mob and chase down the perp w/ pitchforks and torches, but given the information stated in the OP, it most certainly could be an act of griefing, albeit a small one.

not that any of this really matters lol

Yes, as far as OP is concerned we can assume it's griefing, given the randomness of the act and that things of actual value were skipped over while most of the every day items were simply taken or dropped.

However in a common situation such as a fish going missing, you can probably assume it wasn't a griefer but a hungry person.

Either way -shrug- until you know the motive you can just say a bad person did it, they aren't necessarily a griefer. Nao knocks people out randomly, they'd consider it griefing perhaps, but it's not really griefing, it serves an important purpose that they will later learn.