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Re: Please Ask Simple Questions Here

Postby lathos2 » Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:13 am

Hello, does someone know if summoning someone with no hearth using a scent and they die instantly, does that leave a murder scent?
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Re: Please Ask Simple Questions Here

Postby borka » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:04 am

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Re: Please Ask Simple Questions Here

Postby lathos2 » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:03 am

borka wrote:You leave murder scents killing a summoned player

Then that means you leave a murder scent if they die as soon as you summon them without a hearth?
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Re: Please Ask Simple Questions Here

Postby LadyV » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:45 am

lathos2 wrote:
borka wrote:You leave murder scents killing a summoned player

Then that means you leave a murder scent if they die as soon as you summon them without a hearth?


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Re: Please Ask Simple Questions Here

Postby NOOBY93 » Fri Mar 21, 2014 7:03 am

lathos2 wrote:
borka wrote:You leave murder scents killing a summoned player

Then that means you leave a murder scent if they die as soon as you summon them without a hearth?

no that leaves no scents
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Re: Please Ask Simple Questions Here

Postby Tonkyhonk » Fri Mar 21, 2014 7:18 am

regarding scents after summoning without hf
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15:07 Tonky > i think nooby is right but im not sure
15:07 Tonky > its about the insta-death
15:08 Tonky > summoning with no hf
15:08 ChildhoodObesity > leaves assault
15:08 ChildhoodObesity > i bELIEVE
15:08 Tonky > oh?
15:08 ChildhoodObesity > its not a murder 100%
15:08 Tonky > but it still leaves scent for summoning?
15:09 ChildhoodObesity > yea im almost positive its assault
15:09 ChildhoodObesity > if not assault there isnt a scent
15:09 Tonky > hmm interesting
15:09 ramones > its that orange scent
15:09 ramones > whatever it is :)
15:09 Tonky > orange is vandal
15:09 ChildhoodObesity > lol
15:10 Tonky > assault is like lime-green or yellow
15:10 ramones > well, not orange as vandal, but more bright, so that leaves only assault
15:10 Tonky > you mean, battery?
15:10 ChildhoodObesity > theres no way its battery
15:10 ramones > oh right, thats battery, assaut is red?
15:11 ChildhoodObesity > no
15:11 Tonky > assault is yellow to green
15:11 ramones > well it was long since i killed my alt so i remember that (5 months ago)
15:11 ChildhoodObesity > the battery is red
15:11 Tonky > http://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/Smell_of_Assault
15:11 ChildhoodObesity > im FAIRLY positive its assault
15:11 ramones > it should be easy enough to make new alt and just kill it
15:11 ramones > ah you need scents :D
15:12 ChildhoodObesity > i shouldve tested with my alt i killed today
15:12 ramones > probably i still got a lawspeaker alt somewhere with some LP
15:13 Tonky > either way, no murder scent for summoning with no hf, right?
15:13 ChildhoodObesity > yea its assault
15:13 ChildhoodObesity > nope
15:14 Tonky > i wonder why it leaves assault, though
15:14 Trojanz > in salem you leave murder
15:14 ChildhoodObesity > when you summon an alt on eharth its assault and i know that when you summon without hearth you're in aggro for a brief second
15:14 Tonky > interesting
15:14 ChildhoodObesity > because my client makes noise when in aggro and it makes the noise then they're dead
15:14 Trojanz > way to be consistent ;)
15:15 Tonky > heh
15:15 ramones > and you don't kill them cause teleportation laser beam does it for you, there you go
15:15 Tonky > would you mind if i copypaste this log on that thread?
15:15 ChildhoodObesity > dont mattur2me
15:15 Tonky > unless you would like to post on it :3
15:16 ChildhoodObesity > 2lazy
15:16 ramones > if server goes back soon i can test it quick to confirm
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Re: Please Ask Simple Questions Here

Postby Amanda44 » Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:20 am

TeckXKnight wrote:
It all depends on the last save. Grids and characters aren't saved simultaneously. Grids are saved individually one after another periodically throughout the day, the exact timing is something I don't know. Characters are saved upon log out. Buildings are instanced and are not connected to the outside grid at all. They open, close, and save with a mind of their own. =)

If someone was murdered and forced to log out, the game has now saved that data and their character is gone. However the grid hasn't necessarily saved yet and so any changes on it, including the spawning on scents, can be lost if the data isn't saved before a server crash/shutdown.

In other words, by sheer happenstance you were in a spot that lost more progress than other areas and that's why the scents are gone. Same with Tonky's calf. Its data wasn't saved yet when the rollback occurred and so when the server came back up, it was as if the calf had never been butchered. Purely chance.

The odds of JLo restoring their character are effectively 0.

Congratulations on the perfect murder. You should destroy the last of the evidence.


Thank you for the explanation Teck. :)
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Re: Please Ask Simple Questions Here

Postby NOOBY93 » Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:38 am

U can summon HF without crime acts on. If u can summon without HF without crime acts too, then it hasn't to leave assault either if you disable criminal acts before summoning.
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Re: Please Ask Simple Questions Here

Postby Vespasian » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:11 pm

How often do grids save roughly?
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Re: Please Ask Simple Questions Here

Postby ChildhoodObesity » Sat Mar 22, 2014 12:20 am

NOOBY93 wrote:U can summon HF without crime acts on. If u can summon without HF without crime acts too, then it hasn't to leave assault either if you disable criminal acts before summoning.

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