Updated wiki FEP article

[MagicManICT]

Since nobody has previously posted the FEP forumla, I edited it into the wiki. Could someone take a look at it and make sure it is readable? It looks like the page could be better arranged, too. I'm not too great at editing for readability, though, so I'm not even going to try.

http://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/FEP

Thanks! You're help is appreciated!

[DatOneGuy]

Looks fine, I read it fine.

There is something to be said about how annoying it is to explain FEP reduction to newbies, it might be better done visually, but that seems good enough for now.

[MagicManICT]

I might try to do a write-up and post it on talk or here first and get some opinions on it.

[Sitting_Bill]

Hi,

Yeah, the bit you changed to show the amount that the bar is decreased upon eating a new type of food is great. The old statement about 30%, 21% etc is just wrong and confusing though. The bar is decreased by the amount in your formula for every new food that you eat:

0.632*sqrt(58)=4.8 (approx)

# foods FEP req Difference
0 58
1 53.2 4.8
2 48.4 4.8
3 43.6 4.8
4 38.8 4.8
5 34 4.8
6 29.2 4.8
7 24.4 4.8
8 19.6 4.8

Cheers,

Gunnar

[DatOneGuy]

Hi,

Yeah, the bit you changed to show the amount that the bar is decreased upon eating a new type of food is great. The old statement about 30%, 21% etc is just wrong and confusing though. The bar is decreased by the amount in your formula for every new food that you eat:

0.632*sqrt(58)=4.8 (approx)

# foods FEP req Difference
0 58
1 53.2 4.8
2 48.4 4.8
3 43.6 4.8
4 38.8 4.8
5 34 4.8
6 29.2 4.8
7 24.4 4.8
8 19.6 4.8

Cheers,

Gunnar

It decreases by the current value
58 -> 58 - 0.632*sqrt(58) = 4.81 -> 53.2 - 0.632*sqrt(53.2) = 4.6 -> 48.6
You can test it ingame anyhow.

[brohammed]

FEPs that you need to fill a food bar are reduced for each and every unique food that you eat while filling that FEP bar. The FEPs given by the food do not matter, as long as the type of food if different.

If you eat food that provides only Strength FEPs you will need X total FEPs to increase an attribute, but if you then eat food that provdes Dexterity FEPs, you will need <X FEPs.

This isn't exactly a contradiction but it sort of reads like one. The first sentence is clearer.

[Sitting_Bill]

It decreases by the current value
58 -> 58 - 0.632*sqrt(58) = 4.81 -> 53.2 - 0.632*sqrt(53.2) = 4.6 -> 48.6
You can test it ingame anyhow.

The data in the table I gave are from an in game test. So I think I'm right, unless I'm hallucinating... Feel free to prove me wrong with tests of your own

Cheers

Gunnar

[MagicManICT]

Thanks for the extra information there, guys. The table as an example looks like a great idea. It's certainly better than the 'approximate' decreases which I agree aren't accurate, but at least show diminishing returns.

[Sitting_Bill]

Thanks for the extra information there, guys. The table as an example looks like a great idea. It's certainly better than the 'approximate' decreases which I agree aren't accurate, but at least show diminishing returns.

Well, according to my tests the diminishing returns act only on the part of the formula that you provide, and the full formula is this:

T=total FEP required
N=number of different foods eaten
L=largest attribute

First define (as you do, correctly):
M=2*sqrt(L/10)

Then the total FEP required to raise is:

T=L-M*N

which does not have diminishing returns, apart from in the calculation for M. Within each raise, it is completely linear.

Cheers

Gunnar

[MagicManICT]

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Well, according to my tests the diminishing returns act only on the part of the formula that you provide [...]

which does not have diminishing returns, apart from in the calculation for M. Within each raise, it is completely linear.

Thanks for the extra information, but the formula I posted is directly from Loftar. If you're saying he's wrong, please write and correct him.

I know the formula posted so far isn't perfect. My high end math skills are rusty and again, I'm trying to come up with a page that's accurate as well as easy to read for anyone without strong math skills. Everyone's help is appreciated.

This is a busy weekend for me, so I probably won't get time to update this thread or the wiki with what I'm working on. I certainly don't own the information posted there, so feel free to sign up and edit in or post what you think will help on the talk page.