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Defense bar

Postby Grable » Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:47 am

I'm interested in what affects your defense bar. How is the amount of defense bar taken measured if someone punches me? Is it raw difference between UA skill?
What if someone uses Sting on me? Will the amount of defense bar I lose depend on my melee skill then?
Does damage affect any of this, meaning if I stack more STR I'll take more of my enemies defense bar with one punch (same UA)?

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Re: Defense bar

Postby Sitting_Bill » Fri Aug 19, 2011 12:01 pm

def lost = attack*sqrt(attackerWeight/defenderWeight)/2

Your defensive weight is normally just your UA, unless (a) you are using shield, in which case it is 1.25*Melee; (b) you are using bloodlust, in which case it is UA/2.
The attackerWeight depends what attack they are using; different attacks have different modifiers, e.g. Valorous strike is 1.75*Melee or something, whereas punch is just UA.

As you can see, STR doesnt affect def lost. It only affects what damage you do when you have broken their def (and its effect varies depending on the attack).
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Re: Defense bar

Postby Grable » Fri Aug 19, 2011 12:55 pm

Thanks for the answer. I believe punch is 3/4 UA now though, atleast it was last time I checked the tooltip :)

What is under the variable "attack" then?
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Re: Defense bar

Postby Sitting_Bill » Fri Aug 19, 2011 1:21 pm

I believe you are still confusing weight and damage, look again....

"attack" is the proportion of the attackers attack bar that is full.
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Re: Defense bar

Postby Grable » Fri Aug 19, 2011 1:38 pm

Sitting_Bill wrote:I believe you are still confusing weight and damage, look again....

"attack" is the proportion of the attackers attack bar that is full.


Nope, not confusing weight and damage (I believe damage isn't even displayed in the tooltip). I might be wrong, but I saw 3/4 weight on punch. I'll check when I'm home.

Thanks for explaining everything.
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Re: Defense bar

Postby Sitting_Bill » Fri Aug 19, 2011 1:44 pm

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Re: Defense bar

Postby Grable » Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:12 pm

My bad :)
Punch damage was nerfed recently though, wasn't it?

The wiki still says 50 * sqrt(str / 10), I'm gonna guess it's 3/4 of that now? If that fist on the right side of "3/4" means 50 * sqrt(str / 10) even.
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Re: Defense bar

Postby MagicManICT » Fri Aug 19, 2011 4:42 pm

Grable wrote:My bad :)
Punch damage was nerfed recently though, wasn't it?

The wiki still says 50 * sqrt(str / 10), I'm gonna guess it's 3/4 of that now? If that fist on the right side of "3/4" means 50 * sqrt(str / 10) even.


Then the wiki hasn't been updated.

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Yes, but I seem to recall there was a discussion about the weight getting nerfed, too. Maybe my memory is failing me on this. (Not feeling any particular need to go dig it up, eiter. I'll take what's displayed in the client as right unless someone else says it's wrong.)
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Re: Defense bar

Postby bmjclark » Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:01 pm

I'm pretty sure that the weight got nerfed as well. Could be wrong
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Re: Defense bar

Postby DDDsDD999 » Sat Aug 20, 2011 6:42 am

bmjclark wrote:I'm pretty sure that the weight got nerfed as well. Could be wrong

It was, just more un-noted changes.
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