palisade

[KaiserOrn]

hello I´m new in this game!

my problem is that I can not create a palisade, I have Yeomanry.

thx in advance

Kai Kai

[Procne]

I have added new note on palisade wiki page, just because this question is asked so often:

http://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/Palisade

As of World 5, you need to discover all materials, IN ADDITION to Yeomanry skill, before the option to build palisade appears. This means you have to chop wood blocks, craft rope and bone glue, and take leather from tanning tub yourself.

[MagicManICT]

So you might as well go through and add that to every page, then. It's useful information to be had, but is too general and just clutters up an already horribly cluttered page. One of the core game mechanics is crafting each item the first time to unlock the recipes for it. It shouldn't even need to be on individual wiki pages. It needs to either have a page of it's own (which doesn't exist as far as I can tell) or be included in the first core page a user should be looking at (if I recall right).

The problem is people aren't reading how things need to be done, aren't thinking about what the issue is, or aren't reviewing what changes might have occurred since they last played a year ago.

Edit: Added in the Discovery page. If I missed anything, someone update it.

[Procne]

Or maybe info box on the right side could be expanded somehow to include info about discovery. Some objects / items require discovery of additional stuff, apart from materials.

Anyway, I think wiki and in-game info should be enough to understand 90% of game aspects, without the need of searching on forum. Currently, game does not say anything about how discoveries work, neither does wiki. It's quite weird mechanic, if you think about it, not really used by any other game. So most new players might have no idea about it, until they are told, or read world 5 announcement, or search on forum.

As best solution, game should inform player about discoveries, like "You discovered xxx item, you can build / craft yyyy, zzzz, vvvv".

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3196 (wiki points to it) could also use better description for discoveries.
It does link to world 5 announcement, but be reasonable - how many topics / wiki pages / guides should new player read before he starts playing?

Until information about discoveries is fed to the players in more accessible way, those questions will return. The only thing I can do for now is adding notes about discovery on most wiki pages and linking them to a page about discoveries (when one is created). Not every page will need it, just the most used ones (claims, palisades, houses etc.)

[MagicManICT]

Or maybe info box on the right side could be expanded somehow to include info about discovery. Some objects / items require discovery of additional stuff, apart from materials.

I can only name two here: tea pot (dried tea leaves) and clay pipe (dried tobacco or dried hemp buds). Can you name any others? Otherwise, what's in the ingredient list in the info box should be the correct information for discovering how to make an item. You're right in that more information should be added to the exceptions to make it clearer.

Anyway, I think wiki and in-game info should be enough to understand 90% of game aspects, without the need of searching on forum.

The wiki, in my opinion, should be able to provide 100% of the information needed to play the game. It's a work in progress, though. Until then, the forums are the best tools available. Besides all the really important stuff is stickied at the top of the pages.

Currently, game does not say anything about how discoveries work, neither does wiki.

I just fixed that (see post above). Here's the link: http://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/Discovery

Until information about discoveries is fed to the players in more accessible way, those questions will return. The only thing I can do for now is adding notes about discovery on most wiki pages

I watched the Uncle Scrooge cartoon when I was younger. What stuck with me was the phrase, "Work smarter, not harder." Don't clutter up the wiki with redundancies when it might be explained better on one single page. (And this just reminds me that I should probably link that Discovery page in one of the categories on the home page.)

[Procne]

The wiki, in my opinion, should be able to provide 100% of the information needed to play the game. It's a work in progress, though. Until then, the forums are the best tools available. Besides all the really important stuff is stickied at the top of the pages.

I think the wiki is much better tool, with easier search feature, links and templates. So if there is any info available better put it on wiki, than forums. Organising info on wiki is another issue, but still it's much easier than on forums.

I just fixed that (see post above). Here's the link: http://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/Discovery

Great! It's very clear and informative. Now, new players must read this.
Preferably viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3196 should link to it or quote it.
But it would be the best if it could be placed in "How to" section of the page. I imagine that if new version of this page was prepared then devs would happily change it.
I can also see that Wharris has already changed http://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/Getting_Started
Although, if I may add something, this is not clear enough:

So for example, you will not be able to actually make anything with Leather_Working until you get a piece of Leather from a Tanning_Tub

It might lead new players to believing that after they get their leather they will be able to make all items in leatherworking. After discovering clay - everything in pottery, after discovering wood - everything that's wooden, after discovering metals - all armors and weapons. It should state more directly that all ingredients must be discovered.

I watched the Uncle Scrooge cartoon when I was younger. What stuck with me was the phrase, "Work smarter, not harder." Don't clutter up the wiki with redundancies when it might be explained better on one single page. (And this just reminds me that I should probably link that Discovery page in one of the categories on the home page.)

Oh, I agree. But better to work harder than not to work at all