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Postby darkshadowskyguy » Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:09 am

How long does a beehive take to get bee's wax?
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Re: bees wax

Postby ImAwesome » Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:37 am

honey is based on amount of plants actively growing around it, so faster growing plants will make more honey. that should also trigger your chances of getting wax, but wax is one of those random things...I've been told hive quality affects rate of getting wax(and I get way more wax in my better hive so its probably true)
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Re: bees wax

Postby MagicManICT » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:00 am

ImAwesome wrote:honey is based on amount of plants actively growing around it, so faster growing plants will make more honey. that should also trigger your chances of getting wax, but wax is one of those random things..


Quite correct. The more growing plants, the more likely you are to get wax. The more growth ticks, the better the odds. This means carrots frequently replanted will be best for wax gathering.

ImAwesome wrote:I've been told hive quality affects rate of getting wax(and I get way more wax in my better hive so its probably true)


Has absolutely nothing to do with it. After all the work a bunch of people put into finding out what hive quality was worth, Loftar came around and said it don't matter one whit. (Though he could have just been trolling trying to throw people off.)

It's taken me upwards of a week to get wax the first time, after that, I've gotten upwards of 3 or 4 a day if I can keep crops regrowing.
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Re: bees wax

Postby secobi » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:57 am

I'll need to triple check on this but I believe quality of the beehive does hardcap wax & honey quality. I have only one (out of 5) beehive which is crap quality; it is isolated from other beehives, completely surrounded within it's radius by 500+ q60+ hemp plants and it only provides q10 wax & honey while my other beehives which were made with better materials produce a maximum q28 wax (I can't say anything definitive about the honey quality) being around various q40~80 plants.
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Re: bees wax

Postby MagicManICT » Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:47 pm

secobi wrote:I'll need to triple check on this but I believe quality of the beehive does hardcap wax & honey quality.


Nope. Beehives work much like cows and sheep do. They keep a running average of the food they ate. If they go hungry for ticks, it has a much bigger impact on quality. That's the only explanation that I can come up with that fits with the data that's been collected. It's always been known that if you don't keep your crops rotated as often as possible, it severely impacts the quality of honey produced. (And wax since it is always the quality of the honey in the hive at any given time. Yes, this means you can leave the wax in the hive while your honey quality comes back up if you missed replanting crops and you'll get better quality.) Some crops just don't grow fast enough to produce good honey (such as hemp, wheat, and flax).

There have been all kinds of tests to try and figure out how it works, but nobody has ever been able to come up with anything conclusive. The best anyone can come up with is if you use carrots and beets for honey production. You can produce maximum honey/wax per day along with the highest quality. Feel free to search the forums.
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Re: bees wax

Postby secobi » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:09 pm

At the beginning I was under the same assumption as you were but my more current experience simply does not agree with that any longer. I collected 6 wax just yesterday from said hemp circle's beehive all of which were precisely q10. I have another beehive surrounded by 143 hemp plants (q20~60) which goes more 'neglected' than the former and it produces ~q23 wax reliably after a complete harvest and replanting; again, I can't speak for the q of the honey. It would be exhausting to try and compile enough detail which would be capable of completely assuring anyone else but, for now, the history of my wax q's consistency from all my beehives across all variables (crop quality, type & cycle periods) is convincing enough for me to assume that the material quality of the beehive does hardcap, not formulate (presumably), wax&honey quality.

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secobi wrote:I'll need to triple check on this but I believe quality of the beehive does hardcap wax & honey quality.


Nope. Beehives work much like cows and sheep do.
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There have been all kinds of tests to try and figure out how it works, but nobody has ever been able to come up with anything conclusive.
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Feel free to search the forums.


I'll be more certain about my own experiments than other people's posts. Also, there is always the possibility of game changes having took place during the course of all discussions.
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Re: bees wax

Postby MagicManICT » Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:12 pm

Don't argue before you do some research with what others have done in as controlled an environment as possible. In the year plus I've been playing, I've seen at least four attempts to decipher honey quality.
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Re: bees wax

Postby secobi » Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:22 am

MagicManICT wrote:Don't argue before you do some research with what others have done in as controlled an environment as possible. In the year plus I've been playing, I've seen at least four attempts to decipher honey quality.

I'm not, like I said, it would be exhausting to try to compile the details necessary to convince anyone other than me.
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Re: bees wax

Postby adal0t3 » Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:26 am

MagicManICT wrote:
secobi wrote:I'll need to triple check on this but I believe quality of the beehive does hardcap wax & honey quality.


Nope. Beehives work much like cows and sheep do. They keep a running average of the food they ate. If they go hungry for ticks, it has a much bigger impact on quality. That's the only explanation that I can come up with that fits with the data that's been collected. It's always been known that if you don't keep your crops rotated as often as possible, it severely impacts the quality of honey produced. (And wax since it is always the quality of the honey in the hive at any given time. Yes, this means you can leave the wax in the hive while your honey quality comes back up if you missed replanting crops and you'll get better quality.) Some crops just don't grow fast enough to produce good honey (such as hemp, wheat, and flax).

There have been all kinds of tests to try and figure out how it works, but nobody has ever been able to come up with anything conclusive. The best anyone can come up with is if you use carrots and beets for honey production. You can produce maximum honey/wax per day along with the highest quality. Feel free to search the forums.


This would explain why one of my hives has had the wax quality go down the tubes even though the hive is the exact same quality as my other two, which are both producing much higher quality wax. I have read and been told several times that beets don't effect and aren't effected by the hive. I'm guessing that information was inaccurate based on you specifically suggesting them. It's a good thing I had planned on redoing my farm set up because clearly I need to swap some things around.
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Re: bees wax

Postby Tonkyhonk » Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:27 pm

1) my beehive at hemp field give higher ql honey n wax than those at other crops sometimes.
2) my lowest ql beehive gives higher quality honey n wax than much higher ql beehives, and all higher than the hive's assumed ql. (i stopped upgrading my hives after hearing loftar's word on it.) no hardcaps for sure.
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