Feasting in general

[Xcom]

How exactly does the Q of Feasting Tables and chairs work, also whats up with invisible pepper bonuses.

1. Does Q of feasting tables affect the hunger bonuses?
2. Do you get better bonuses when sitting on a chair?
3. If yes on 2. Does the Q of chair matter?
4. Are the hunger bonuses visible on the table menu showing the actual bonus or are there any hidden bonuses?
5. Why doesn't FEP bonus of pepper show up? Is it there and you cant see it or am I doing something wrong here.
6. I assume same non visible bonus applies when smoking buds or are there ways to get it to show up?

Thanks in advance for helping to clarify these questions.

One last question though. How exactly does the % of FEP bonus apply.
Total FEP = Food FEP x FEP bonus?

[EyeOfRa]

All very good questions that I've been wondering about as well. In regards to 2, you can only feast when sitting in a chair I believe.

[ApocalypsePlease]

How exactly does the Q of Feasting Tables and chairs work, also whats up with invisible pepper bonuses.

1. Does Q of feasting tables affect the hunger bonuses?
2. Do you get better bonuses when sitting on a chair?
3. If yes on 2. Does the Q of chair matter?
4. Are the hunger bonuses visible on the table menu showing the actual bonus or are there any hidden bonuses?
5. Why doesn't FEP bonus of pepper show up? Is it there and you cant see it or am I doing something wrong here.
6. I assume same non visible bonus applies when smoking buds or are there ways to get it to show up?

Thanks in advance for helping to clarify these questions.

One last question though. How exactly does the % of FEP bonus apply.
Total FEP = Food FEP x FEP bonus?

1. Yes
2. You can only feast sitting down
3. Yes
4. The only external bonus it will show is from a bonfire.
5. Peppers is used on a piece of food, so the bonus isn't visible on the table since the table's modifier values speaks about all food on the table
6. No way as far as I'm aware.


Total FEPs = Base FEPs + Bonus FEPs
(Bonus FEPs being equal to the base FEPs x the % bonus)
Ex: 10 base str FEPs, 15% bonus FEP modifier

Total FEPs = 10 + (10x15%)
Total FEPs = 10 + 1.5
Total FEPs = 11.5 FEPs

[Xcom]

1. Yes
2. You can only feast sitting down
3. Yes
4. Actual
5. Peppers is used on a piece of food, so the bonus isn't visible on the table since the table's modifier values speaks about all food on the table
6. No way as far as I'm aware.


Total FEPs = Base FEPs + Bonus FEPs
(Bonus FEPs being equal to the base FEPs x the % bonus)
Ex: 10 base str FEPs, 15% bonus FEP modifier

Total FEPs = 10 + (10x15%)
Total FEPs = 10 + 1.5
Total FEPs = 11.5 FEPs

Thank you for the quick reply. But regarding a few questions that popped up with the set of answers.

1. Regarding Q1-3 How exactly does Q of chair and table affect the bonus outcome? Do Q10 give base bonus and Q40 double 90 tripple? and is the average of chair and table averaged or is one havyer then the other?

2. Regarding Q5: When applying pepper the FEP bonus of the food stays the same when mouse-hovering with ender. Is this because its a limitation on enders client? If so how does one figure out the new bonus? Same as above Total FEPs = Base FEPs + Bonus FEPs?

[MagicManICT]

Are you sure on #4? I can never remember if the big bonus from bonfires shows up or not.

I don't think anyone has done the quality calculations for tables and chairs as there's no way of separating the two though with some creative math you can probably isolate the exact modifiers.

The FEP bonus Ender's shows is based upon the quality reported by the server. Since the server doesn't actually report anything OTHER than quality, Ender's can't know what modifiers are placed on it. (I've not paid attention, but it should be doable for the client to accurately report the FEP and hunger on food that is already on a table using the modifier numbers reported by the server, but this doesn't include secondary buffs such as pepper or the hemp bonus.)

[ApocalypsePlease]

1. Regarding Q1-3 How exactly does Q of chair and table affect the bonus outcome? Do Q10 give base bonus and Q40 double 90 tripple? and is the average of chair and table averaged or is one havyer then the other?

The chair and table act like symbel items and give a minuscule FEP bonus and hunger reduction. I wouldn't concern myself too much with getting good quality table/chairs.

2. Regarding Q5: When applying pepper the FEP bonus of the food stays the same when mouse-hovering with ender. Is this because its a limitation on enders client? If so how does one figure out the new bonus? Same as above Total FEPs = Base FEPs + Bonus FEPs?

The mouse-hover calculations from Ender's client doesn't take into account any peppers, since of a limitation of the information available client side.

Same way as before.

Are you sure on #4? I can never remember if the big bonus from bonfires shows up or not.

You're correct actually, my mistake. The bonfire bonus will show up, just not hemp.

I don't think anyone has done the quality calculations for tables and chairs as there's no way of separating the two though with some creative math you can probably isolate the exact modifiers.

It's truly a really small change that I will say to just ignore it. A Q10-40 table/chair set will bring the initial hunger modifier down from 100% to about 98%, and the way symbel items have diminishing returns in how much they reduce, this 2% bonus is negligible by far.

[MagicManICT]

Hemp is JUST and FEP bonus, though, just like pepper.

I figured the table and chair were about 1-2% at q10 so making q90+ would definitely be worth it. I've never gotten that far along and never considered it worth the boards to upgrade that frequently. For something that never wears out, it's a steady way to lower hunger.

[ApocalypsePlease]

Hemp is JUST and FEP bonus, though, just like pepper.

I figured the table and chair were about 1-2% at q10 so making q90+ would definitely be worth it. I've never gotten that far along and never considered it worth the boards to upgrade that frequently. For something that never wears out, it's a steady way to lower hunger.

Assume 1% hunger reduction each at Q10 (I think it's lower actually but who knows). With no symbel items, that makes the total of a 98..01% reduction.

Lets make them both Q90 for the sake of them being "high quality". That previous reduction would get changed into 94.09%.

Now add symbel items which on their own would bring the table down to 20% hunger reduction. The chair and table would bring that down to 18.82% reduction, just over a 1% difference. This may just be a disagreement in how highly we value that 1.18% difference, but personally I think it isn't something to get hung over about.

[MagicManICT]

Well, I'm one to replace symbel items relatively quickly (based on difficult of getting new ones), so a high quality table and chair would be a smart investment. Each person has to weigh costs and benefits for themselves, but if you're trying to absolute best all the time, I say it's worth it.

[kaizokuroof]

I would agree with AP here, remeber also, the higher the chair Q the quicker your stamina is recovered and less hunger consumed, I like to plow the ground and recover stamina via chair while feasting, purely so I can grind as much food as I can in the time that I feast so having a higher Q chair would also hinder this, I guess it just comes down prefrence.

Just for clarification, the bonfires hunger modify does show up while feasting at tables.