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[Patchouli_Knowledge]

Havenandhearth.ru community seems to enjoy drama as much as the English community counterpart does. While it seems that the entire .ru community seems to be united, they are not much different from here and I have witness some frictions within as well. For the most part, it seems to be the most vocal that is the most visible within the .ru community making it them seemingly more aggressive than it actually is. Much of it comes from the propaganda of Koya while bringing in an influx of players that has been pro-AD, and later anti-Sodom.

One thing that is interesting is that the enemies of Pandemonium in here as well as the .ru forum continually call them Sodom(ites), making it seems that the source of enmity for the group originating from world 3 and they seem to cannot let go of it, despite it may contain players of a wide variety of others within as well or simply using it as a mean to promote/provoke further drama or reason to play similar to a fashion of Keynesian-ism.

[Kaios]

kafkaesque

[arriel]

One thing that is interesting is that the enemies of Pandemonium in here as well as the .ru forum continually call them Sodom(ites), making it seems that the source of enmity for the group originating from world 3 and they seem to cannot let go of it, despite it may contain players of a wide variety of others within as well or simply using it as a mean to promote/provoke further drama or reason to play similar to a fashion of Keynesian-ism.

We could also call it "The new Russian alliance" or some shit. We are aware that not only Taar is responsible for all those criminal acts, but a whole network of russian towns. Taar is short and easy for us uneducated westerners so we stick with it.

"Sodom" is shorter and easier, mkay.

I hope you understand that it doesn't mean that your point of view is right.

I`ve just shown why some russians feel contempt towards those russians who befriend people openly going around with "kill all russians" banners.

[burgingham]

OK...enlighten me for a bit. The post you linked simply shows that Ken Tower II was killed in a battle but it says nothing about Ken Tower = Keyn Thror.

Also judging from sources and conversation, they have different fluency of the English language. I don't even think the latter is even involved in anything going on politics wise. W3: Ken Tower is Hive Mind central, Keyn Thror is Mirror Passage North Grid.

Of course Ken Tower is not Keyn Thor, any blind man can see that. But it doesn't fit their wonderful conspiracy theory, dude.

One thing that is interesting is that the enemies of Pandemonium in here as well as the .ru forum continually call them Sodom(ites), making it seems that the source of enmity for the group originating from world 3 and they seem to cannot let go of it, despite it may contain players of a wide variety of others within as well or simply using it as a mean to promote/provoke further drama or reason to play similar to a fashion of Keynesian-ism.

What did you expect other than that? They still use the excuse of this slaughter in Bitardsk in W2 to fuel the hatred against all non-russians in the game ignoring the fact that Klaue was the one responsible for 99% of that slaughter and he got killed by us repeatedly and hates us even more than he hates the Russians by now. That is how easy propaganda works though and I admire their work in that department quite a bit sometimes
Without wanting to sound like someone who is just using racist clichées, but I think that can probably be tracked back to historical reasons and the culutural upbringing in totalitarian regimes (with a focus on patriotism and nationalism, because those have proven to be a very useful glue to keep such fragile systems together ). Maybe even a wish in the heads of many to get back the former glory, combined with a current state of lack of prospects.
This is somewhat speculation without any scientific proofs, but I noticed this kind of behaviour on quite a few Russians I encountered during the time I have engaged in politics and war in this game (note the quite a few and not all to avoid even more racism accusations).

[burgingham]

I`ve just shown why some russians feel contempt towards those russians who befriend people openly going around with "kill all russians" banners.

Thanks for writing it down in that precision again. It is funny you accuse us of going around with "kill all russian" banners, because nothing could be further away from the truth. This is exactly only what I described above: Propaganda.

[marvi]

I`ve just shown why some russians feel contempt towards those russians who befriend people openly going around with "kill all russians" banners.

Where you saw these banners though?

I see current events as faction vs. faction wars. One faction is a massive russian faction, yes. Do they represent all russians? No.

Same thing was in W3 when AD arised. Before AD Sodom traded with a lot of peaceful russian villages, like Prontera, Hivemind (I wasn't part of it at the time), McManus Castle and some smaller villages (Ticonderoga?). Not to mention they helped against some raiders in russian Gangband...

Both AD and new russian alliance are aggressive and moreover they were first to antagonize themselves to Sodom, doubt anyone can deny that.

[bmjclark]

I`ve just shown why some russians feel contempt towards those russians who befriend people openly going around with "kill all russians" banners.

Where you saw these banners though?

I see current events as faction vs. faction wars. One faction is a massive russian faction, yes. Do they represent all russians? No.

Same thing was in W3 when AD arised. Before AD Sodom traded with a lot of peaceful russian villages, like Prontera, Hivemind (I wasn't part of it at the time), McManus Castle and some smaller villages (Ticonderoga?). Not to mention they helped against some raiders in russian Gangband...

Both AD and new russian alliance are aggressive and moreover they were first to antagonize themselves to Sodom, doubt anyone can deny that.

I think everyone is well aware that the russian faction doesnt represent all russians, they are just giving the good russians a bad name. The main russian faction is going around raiding people for shits and giggles, of course people will get the wrong impression of russians =\.

[burgingham]

I think the main problem is that the bad guys in this Russian Alliance have achieved it to gather enough bad propaganda and lies that they drag the good Russian players into this and on their side, at least a part of them.

[arriel]

I think the main problem is that the bad guys in this Russian Alliance have achieved it to gather enough bad propaganda and lies that they drag the good Russian players into this and on their side, at least a part of them.

Where you saw these banners though?

Don`t know much of the propaganda you are talking about. I was just reading through mostly all of the "In Congress Assembled" topics since I returned to HnH, and what I see is a burst of nationalistic hate/hurt (see burgingham post on a previous page for example). People expect moderators to be more reasonable than common populace, so mods outbursts just stand out more, I guess.

[burgingham]

Then why are you putting words in my mouth? I distance myself from "nationalistic outbursts" in every second sentence, yet that seems not to be enough. Do you get paid by Koya to make me a racist?