Underworld & Bear Federation (and it's neighbors)

[Malicious]

http://www.havenandhearth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=22460

This seems to be you. As I have stated Ainran have different ethics than us. We employed them to help us out in our war vs NNN. Questionable choice? Maybe, but they are doing their job fine and we never pretended to be white knights. People just make that of us sometimes. We do however not attack people for no reason whatsoever. Again: Ainran is not Pande. They do that.

That's my brothers post.

Yesterday, I went by an inactive area and checked for sand and took a few pieces of q20 which I threw away.
Today, about 4-5 people from Panda came by again today and sniped my main.
They claimed I griefed a high q sand node which is a load of crap.


RUA, NNN, Panda, Ainran. All the same type of people.
Going around griefing and killing for the "lulz". Yup, that was the reason they decided to ram our mine.

[burgingham]

Scents are scents. They don't tell the story of your intentions. Digging ressources spots (q20 sand is an ok spot) is one of the worst things you can do and I would be totally ok with you being punished for it if I was still active.

[bmjclark]

1. Ainran raided your mine. Try again

2. No one rams palisades

3. Ainran also tracked scents to your place.

[Malicious]

1. Ainran raided your mine. Try again

2. No one rams palisades

3. Ainran also tracked scents to your place.

1. Hence why I was quoting Berg.

2. Meant to say bash.

3.Can't monitor everyone 24/7.

[bmjclark]

We had scents to ur place so we had a cause to attempt to raid it. What are you complaining about?

[Malicious]

We had scents to ur place so we had a cause to attempt to raid it. What are you complaining about?

I'm not complaining about Ainran.
I was just calling bull on what Burg said and mentioned I was killed without being proven guilty.
Point is you all go around killing for the "lulz" without getting to the bottom of the scents.
For all you know they were justified. As for the sand, I told the perps that I thought it was abandonned and was q20's when I touched it.
They killed me anyways.

[barracuda546]

Random scents have always been used as a terrible excuse for raiding randomly

[b00paul]

http://www.havenandhearth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=22460

This seems to be you. As I have stated Ainran have different ethics than us. We employed them to help us out in our war vs NNN. Questionable choice? Maybe, but they are doing their job fine and we never pretended to be white knights. People just make that of us sometimes. We do however not attack people for no reason whatsoever. Again: Ainran is not Pande. They do that.

they might not be "official" pande people, but pande is responsible for their actions while they live in pande.

Can't just hire mercs and be like "oh we so sorry they raided you but we no control them"

You do control them, you pay them, supply them, etc.

You are responsible for their actions.

They are representatives of pande.

(By you I mean Pande)

[ElGato]

http://www.havenandhearth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=22460

This seems to be you. As I have stated Ainran have different ethics than us. We employed them to help us out in our war vs NNN. Questionable choice? Maybe, but they are doing their job fine and we never pretended to be white knights. People just make that of us sometimes. We do however not attack people for no reason whatsoever. Again: Ainran is not Pande. They do that.

they might not be "official" pande people, but pande is responsible for their actions while they live in pande.

Can't just hire mercs and be like "oh we so sorry they raided you but we no control them"

You do control them, you pay them, supply them, etc.

You are responsible for their actions.

They are representatives of pande.

(By you I mean Pande)

This is where you're wrong, little friend.
Pande doesn't pay us anything.
We do our own thing regardless of what Pande thinks. (Hence the toska thing)

[bmjclark]

That'd be like saying pande is responsible for whatever RiC does...a completely different village that is allies of them. You have a problem with ainran you take it to a member of ainran, not the leaders of pande. Though i can guarantee your complaints would likely be shrugged off by any member of ainran =s