Buying q80+ clay for gold/silver

[painhertz]

However it is to think that someone with 1 post randomly comes on claiming they have gold, it's usually going to end up being a trap or a retard, either way someone will probably end up dead.

I wonder why anyone would reveal his real name and the fact he has gold on the forums, honestly.

I imagine that after you have all of the items craft able with gold, you'd like to leverage that ownership for other resources that you don't have. That's my take anyway. Those bars/nuggets aren't doing him any good except maybe backup if he loses gold equipment?

[Juklisli]

Doubt anyone will buy from a guy hiding behind a proxy anyway, I won't.

I don't see what the problem is. I'd hope the buyer would want me to be as safe as possible in order to complete a trade considering there would be no gold to give if I were raided.

[Zampfeo]

Personally, I can see the rationality with being behind a proxy under an alt account to trade something valuable.

I do hope you being hard on him doesn't have to do with the fact that someone else has gold besides you and you want to scare potential buyers away from him. That would be dirty.

[DatOneGuy]

Doubt anyone will buy from a guy hiding behind a proxy anyway, I won't.

I don't see what the problem is. I'd hope the buyer would want me to be as safe as possible in order to complete a trade considering there would be no gold to give if I were raided.

You're trading for q80+ clay, it's more valuable than a bit of gold. Tracking back to the clay is a hell of a lot more risky, as a clay node is something that continues to give, gold is not.
They didn't blurt it out and they wouldn't have unless they knew it was behind a proxy.
We thought it was someone else who uses the same proxy, and then were assured it wasn't.
You can be safe without proxies.

Doubt anyone will buy from a guy hiding behind a proxy anyway, I won't.

The fact is that they tried though. They couldn't help themselves but to check and see. And don't give me that crap about "checking to see if it was a banned account" or "they thought it was someone else who uses the same proxy (which they wouldn't have known until after they checked in the first place)".

Obviously it's an existing player who created a new account as to not give away their location. He even fucking says this himself in the 3rd post. If you're selling something valuable, why WOULDN'T you do this? I don't see why it's such a huge deal. In W3 I wanted to sell a q55 pearl but I was also a lowly hermit without any major form of defense (didn't even have a palisade honestly), and there was no way I would have been able to defend myself against any threat if someone was to find out my location. It's just common sense. The only reason he's using a proxy is that even if you create multiple accounts, mods can still track it back to your original account (which may or may not have posts revealing where you're located), and obviously he was correct in his fears because apparently they really wanted to see who the OP actually was.

Most of them are trolling, this wasn't his first post, his first post was in another thread to say "Wrong, I got gold", which if not `proven` (yet to be really) here, could very well have been a troll. To avoid faggots who proxy and make tons of alts (look at xweetok or painhertz), mods check, frequently. It was brought up in our village because as I said one of our memebrs was accused of being the one to use an alt and was going to be outed, was just warned before hand.
It doesn't very well much matter what you or I think on the matter, we're not mods, they are. I'm against searching alts for tactical reasons as it can be used, but it's been made clear by many mods like Jackard that they will out people using alts, and he's done so to the person on our side using the same proxy.
They did not want to see where the OP is, that's not why they checked, instead of being a faggot, how about you read. Any retard claiming some crazy shit with 1 post is going to be checked so they're not a retarded frequent troll trying to scam or trick people.

Personally, I can see the rationality with being behind a proxy under an alt account to trade something valuable.

I do hope you being hard on him doesn't have to do with the fact that someone else has gold besides you and you want to scare potential buyers away from him. That would be dirty.

It does not, many of us have been on the bad side of the 'but I want to proxy for safety' reasons, they always lose, to think that just because I'm "Lol Sodom owns all swamps and golds!!" I'm doing this is retarded, I don't expect anything out of the gold `Sodom` has, it's not mine, I didn't get it, I don't care what happens to it.

[Juklisli]

You're trading for q80+ clay, it's more valuable than a bit of gold. Tracking back to the clay is a hell of a lot more risky, as a clay node is something that continues to give, gold is not.

So, q80+ clay is worth more than gold because it's an infinite resource? I believe you mean that the q80+ clay node is worth more than some gold from a single node, which I can agree on. However, gold smelts the same way it did in W3: you're lucky to get a single nugget from a whole smelters full. Combine the factors of finite nodes and how much ore you get from a tile on average and you're looking at maybe 1 bar of gold per 100 tiles. Nodes aren't common either; you hear about everyone and their mother getting silver, but never gold these days.

So, a finite, rare sum of gold is worth quite of a bit of infinite q80+ clay. You can argue the risk of losing the node, but I don't expect the person with the clay to tell me their name or village so I don't see where the risk would come from.

[DatOneGuy]

They did not want to see where the OP is, that's not why they checked, instead of being a faggot, how about you read. Any retard claiming some crazy shit with 1 post is going to be checked so they're not a retarded frequent troll trying to scam or trick people.

I did read, I simply did not (and do not) believe you. Thanks for the homophobic slur though.

Well, if you don't think there's something wrong with someone who has 1 post saying they have gold in a random thread and think that the chances of that being legit are oh so high , you probably have a problem.

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Again though if either of you have a problem with how admins/mods do these kinds of things, there IS a thread for that, you should redirect further inquiries there.

You're trading for q80+ clay, it's more valuable than a bit of gold. Tracking back to the clay is a hell of a lot more risky, as a clay node is something that continues to give, gold is not.

So, q80+ clay is worth more than gold because it's an infinite resource? I believe you mean that the q80+ clay node is worth more than some gold from a single node, which I can agree on. However, gold smelts the same way it did in W3: you're lucky to get a single nugget from a whole smelters full. Combine the factors of finite nodes and how much ore you get from a tile on average and you're looking at maybe 1 bar of gold per 100 tiles. Nodes aren't common either; you hear about everyone and their mother getting silver, but never gold these days.

So, a finite, rare sum of gold is worth quite of a bit of infinite q80+ clay. You can argue the risk of losing the node, but I don't expect the person with the clay to tell me their name or village so I don't see where the risk would come from.

No, the q80+ clay is worth more when 'tracked' back to it's source because while you might be able to get quite a bit of gold from a source, the clay is infinite. Have you never heard of scenting items? Seriously?

It does not, many of us have been on the bad side of the 'but I want to proxy for safety' reasons, they always lose, to think that just because I'm "Lol Sodom owns all swamps and golds!!" I'm doing this is retarded, I don't expect anything out of the gold `Sodom` has, it's not mine, I didn't get it, I don't care what happens to it.

Fair enough although you have expressed that you would feel something knowing another person has gold(in the pearl thread). That's not the subject at hand though and it really doesn't matter. Could you give an example of when an anonymous trade went horribly wrong?

Archives->W3, few examples in there. Scented shit was common. Constantinople stands good example.

[Zampfeo]

No, the q80+ clay is worth more when 'tracked' back to it's source because while you might be able to get quite a bit of gold from a source, the clay is infinite. Have you never heard of scenting items? Seriously?

Archives->W3, few examples in there. Scented shit was common. Constantinople stands good example.

I would assume he's selling at least a bar because you would need to turn the gold into nuggets and back into a bar to discover it. This would remove the scents in the process also. If anything, OP is the one at risk.

[fart69]

Well, if you don't think there's something wrong with someone who has 1 post saying they have gold in a random thread and think that the chances of that being legit are oh so high , you probably have a problem.

I'd trust someone with only 1 post more than some random poster with a spattering of posts because only a stupid person (who does not have the backing of a strong village) would try to sell something that valuable using their main account. Using alts to sell stuff like that just makes sense. Also, he's done everything asked of him to prove that he does in fact have the gold and would like to find someone willing to buy it. I don't really think mods need to police threads like this, especially if the OP has given no indication that he's scamming or trolling anybody. His posts have been very direct, and he's taken multiple steps to try and prove to you all that it's legit. If someone wants to take the risk and trade with him, that's their decision. I don't need mom and dad telling me that it might not be such a good idea because the user is posting behind a proxy (which honestly has absolutely nothing to do with his interactions with regular users, and is only used as a way of preventing the mods from being the nosy little bastards that they've proven themselves to be).

Again though if either of you have a problem with how admins/mods do these kinds of things, there IS a thread for that, you should redirect further inquiries there.

I have. Multiple times. Yet. It. Keeps. Happening.

[Onionfighter]

It isn't pretty, but I have butchered this thread into something slightly more on-topic. Check The Inn for the rest of the discussion.

[Juklisli]

DatOneGuy, thank you for expressing your refuted concerns. You succeeded in scaring off 4 potential customers. I respect that you're an example of Sodomite trade etiquette.

CobaltJones and Zampfeo, thank you for the support.

My offer still stands. I'll do whatever it takes to make a safe and legitimate trade.