Get out of jail free - Autohearth Client

[Vigilance]

Regardless of whether it is a band-aid or not, the change seems quite reasonable. No matter how you slice it instant teleporation with no delay is a bit retarded under any circumstance.

do you plan on adding a more reasonable solution that can balance out the chasers vs aggressors a tad more?

[Valten21]

A hearthling on 3rd run speed runs the same as a hearthling on 3rd run speed. Balance.

[Astarisk]

Regardless of whether it is a band-aid or not, the change seems quite reasonable. No matter how you slice it instant teleporation with no delay is a bit retarded under any circumstance.

Currently we lack penalties for attacking people. They can't be held accountable, and people just don't go out foraging knowing when exactly they'll be attacked. All you do is alienate the game base even further than what it currently is. What we see now is raiders dominating the scene as there is nothing to do that can stop them. Ram mechanics are broken, hearthvaults are broken, everything there is currently broken. So if a raider finds you out in the wild, you will most likely just end up dead. They will most likely be carrying greater amounts of water than you. There is no reason left in the game to try and play as a hermit or a farmer. You'll eventually get rammed through bullshit methods, or get killed in the wild. Hell, now if they did break into your village you better pray you can log off in time or else you're dead. Surprise raids can prove to be even more devastating.

[Vigilance]

A hearthling on 3rd run speed runs the same as a hearthling on 3rd run speed. Balance.

actually if you look carefully you'll notice whomever clicks less catches up faster

lock on someone with punch and you'll catch them eventually.

[Valten21]

I'm well aware that when you click you slow down....

[Vigilance]

I'm well aware that when you click you slow down....

its not quite balanced, because even the littlest things can determine your death. i can go on in private if you'd like about my reasoning behind this and how aggressors have the upper hand-- i've seen plenty of that action to know.

[Patchouli_Knowledge]

Within this argument, I feel that we are out lining and but missing some things within the big picture.

From what I can understand, Algerith's intention may have been to cause jorb to act but more so, it indirectly illustrate the potential harm that such a client can do as well as the consequences of both the client's existence and the requirement of the quick fix and its effect upon gameplay. In a sense, it does brings to something that is rather base of freedom vs security on several levels.

- What can clients do before it becomes an exploit?
- Does auto-queue farming is the same level as a curiosity rader or an enemy radar?
- If people perform very abusive actions on clients, what actions should be taken if any?
- What to change the feature to reduce the damage of such client's action?
- What is the cost of the players of the game if features are changed?

It may be fairly obvious as we are reading it but sometimes we forget as well.

The only thing that is certain is that there will be someone that is capable of wanting to exploit with clients as well as finding workarounds these quick fixes.

There is another question that was raised we may not have asked in here. It has been mentioned that such a client may have existed out of public's view for sometime and what Algerith did was expose it. Perhaps it may or may not it may be the best choice of action (I hope it wasn't an action made lightly though).

There is no easy answer to this and no quick fix to client being the extension of people's capability and possibility and perhaps a quick fix may not be sound as one may think. How will it prevent a counter or another exploitive client that can easily work around this?

[cobaltjones]

Within this argument, I feel that we are out lining and but missing some things within the big picture.

While I abhorrently disagree with jorb, he's made his views on this particular subject clear a few days ago.

That is not what's wrong, what's wrong is the game mechanics. If the client wasn't open-source only a handful of people would have modded clients (yes, you don't need open source for modding) and those people would have an edge over everyone else. By having an open-source client the barrier to entry for creating mods is a lot lower, which is good. So basically, the game mechanics need to be revamped to discourage modding.

This.

I think this would be excellent for highlighting just how stupid the fast travel system is.

This.

I personally love the idea, simply for the fact that it just further illustrates how fucking stupid it is to have an open source MMO client.

But definitely not this.

[Flame]

Clients that Auto attack on sight.
Clients that auto runs on sight.

Weird game, but fair in theyr weird freedom clients.

[jorb]

While I abhorrently disagree with jorb, he's made his views on this particular subject clear a few days ago.

Well, I'm not sure you quite understand the issue. It fundamentally matters very little whether the client is open source or not. Keeping it closed source does not actually prevent anyone intent on haxxing it from doing so.