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[burgingham]

It seems like the current state h&h is only suitable for the kind of elaborate team deathmatch that nao and his gang and their various opponents are currently playing. Enjoyable for them I guess, but it has little to offer for those of us looking for a social and economic simulation.

Let me quote this once more. Combat in this game has been degraded to meaningless hunting for the lulz.

Combat should have meaning and above all it should be an exception. It should be used to punish, to protect, to conquer. It should not be used to get a laugh out of it. Combat in this game doesn't have to have a highly skillbased system and all of that. It is nice if it has, but it is unnecessary. It makes people like you confuse the game for something it is not.

If you want to go on a competitive, team based hunt in a game then play LoL or whatever other games you usally use for that. HnH used to be about other, more meaningful things. If the balance is right then sure a good combatant finds his place in that system too, but he or she shouldn't define the system itself.

[NaoWhut]

If you want a non pvp game... might i suggest Farmville?

or ask loftorb for a non pvp server

you clearly are lost in your own words.. because it IS used
to punish, to protect, and to conquer?... Peepz back then
didn't just let strangers wander into their homes and on
to their turf.. people nowadays are the same. The world in
reality is no happy go friendly place (Unless you live in some
upper class part of town, and even then you can get mugged.
best to know karate or have a bodyguard.. or a gun...
or a tank. y'know... would work)

I'm sorry if i confused this game as a social simulation in
which i find great joy in tracking down criminals all day long
and assassinating anyone i'm paid enough to kill. Though it
seems you're using your own opinion... again... to say that
i'm playing the game wrong, and everyone is, and that they
should play the game the way you want them to... really... if
you had a decent army in w5 you could have kept order in the
world, though even your quality seemed to be lacking compared
to a group that is very similar to Ainran. It's not entirely the
game's fault. more the player's... as RMM said

You seem to be making alot of assumptions about me Burg,
its' cute and all, but makes you look even more clueless than
you are. I encourage you to talk to HnH players before furthering
any arguement on the HnH forum

[Monkeytofu]

The problem is that the system isn't defined at all.

[burgingham]

If you want a non pvp game... might i suggest Farmville?

or ask loftorb for a non pvp server

Where do I say this? Jesus Christ, go to bed instead of blabbering bullshit. I am asking for the exact opposite. I want a full PvP, permadeath game. I just want to have that PvP have a meaning and constraints in the sense of in game fear of punishment and such.

You are using it to hunt for the lulz and nothing else. You can try all you want to make up a reason behind your actions, but you have stated yourself time and time again that you kill for fun, for the thrill of it etc.

Also, nobody is buying your nigger for life attitude... I am living in one of the richest cities in germany though, yes. I haven't seen much crime in my life. What does that have to do with anything???

Most of your posts are wild assumptions about me btw and insults. Not the other way around.

Nobody is buying your nonsense, really.

@Monkey: That might be true. Maybe my assumptions about the game all these years were all wrong.

[Avu]

Tracking down criminals? You're the fucking criminal!

[burgingham]

Ok, shadowchris made a new topic for the recent changes in the Inn. So I split Sarchis and my post. Crossroad related changes may be discussed there.

[NaoWhut]

If you want a non pvp game... might i suggest Farmville?

or ask loftorb for a non pvp server

Where do I say this? Jesus Christ, go to bed instead of blabbering bullshit. I am asking for the exact opposite. I want a full PvP, permadeath game. I just want to have that PvP have a meaning and constraints in the sense of in game fear of punishment and such.

You are using it to hunt for the lulz and nothing else. You can try all you want to make up a reason behind your actions, but you have stated yourself time and time again that you kill for fun, for the thrill of it etc.

Also, nobody is buying your nigger for life attitude... I am living in one of the richest cities in germany though, yes. I haven't seen much crime in my life. What does that have to do with anything???

Most of your posts are wild assumptions about me btw and insults. Not the other way around.

Nobody is buying your nonsense, really.

@Monkey: That might be true. Maybe my assumptions about the game all these years were all wrong.

I never... said... anything about you?...

other than the Panda thing.. but that was just saying?

and.. even when it "was" a permadeath game... i died
13 times? then ended up with stats about the same as
klow's who had not died by that point in the game... and
i was killing top tier players in a sheerly stat based
system... then in w3 skill came into pvp and i did things
sodomites woulda called BS...

I'm glad you know what everyone's thinking though...
especially me, i'm amazed you know me so well based
on forum posts... would you like to take it to a PM,
my friend, or would you care to stop talking?

@Avu; yep, i'm a criminal, and that's probably a reason
why i'm so good at killing um, i know what they'll fall for
and how they'll fight, act, play etc

[Monkeytofu]

Where do I say this? Jesus Christ, go to bed instead of blabbering bullshit. I am asking for the exact opposite. I want a full PvP, permadeath game. I just want to have that PvP have a meaning and constraints in the sense of in game fear of punishment and such.

The reason why this won't happen (at least anytime soon) is because jorb and loftar seem in capable of creating in game functions for social, societal, and other non combat systems. At this point the only reason other things in the game exist is to increase your viability for combat (in broken and convoluted system) which holds no meaning or any direction because combat isn't a result of anything.

Imagine: if permadeath didn't exist in this game would you play it? Would there be any reason to play it? The answer is clear as permadeath isn't enough to attract people to a good concept tied down by hundreds of bad ones.


Everything we do in this game is a result of combat, when it should be the other way around.

[burgingham]

I never... said... anything about you?...

When you are talking to me and say: "If you want a PvP free game..." then I assume you are talking to me.

But yeah, we can stop taling now, but I am not letting a little kid dictate me when to speak or when not.

I should probably quote Spectacle a third time, because that stands and is the only truth that matters here. The game is a team deathmatch right now and I believe the devs didn't intend it to be one. Yet they are fueling it to go that way further with these recent "fixes" and I would like them to know that and maybe get some feedback.

[Skorm]

I agree on burg in here, I`ve always wondered What really happends on the priority List, the reason we are gave about haven not getting it`s Proper Maintainace Is ¨Salem¨Yet we still get thi band Aid Fixes, as if it is really Gonna fix the HUGE Hole in the game ( clearly it`s not meant to, but most of this fixes either have a backfire, usually Against Noobs or just don`t help at all), the server always works ( so they still look after it, in some way) BUT A FEEDBACK or a dam annauncment could do way more then this, honestly, it`s not that hard to make a post adressing some of the problems and fixes, in the past i recall Jorb Saying the reason for not having a update list was to keep the ¨mystery¨of new content, He wanted ppl to look for stuff, instead of reading it in a log and ¨Oh, rush this, get that, Craft this¨. and yes, the ¨new-content¨ is a lie.