Suddenly real life means nothing..

[Eemerald]

i have had and do have villagers who arent on often, which isnt an issue for me, when i trust that person. but when someone is new and you dont really know them, and you see them only a couple of times a week, then it is a security issue for a town.

If i am going to invite someone to the town and give them a job, which is how we work, and they turn up a few times a week, whereas everyone else is on daily for many hours achieving the success that the part timer enjoys without putitng in the same effort, then it seems unfair to me. When we have big projects which tend to be the shitty parts like brick burning and building walls and various other things, i'm not going to be able to depend on someone who isnt on a lot, since when they do log, they'd possibly have enough time to do some of their job and possibly forage for themselves some curios and then theyre off.

so as an investment, its pointless for a large town to take on someone who cant play regularly. at least being able to log 2 hrs a day is decent, it worries me when i dont see villagers logging, because it means me or someone else who plays more has to cover their job, and really no one wants to equip and support someone who we then have to do their job for them untilt hey log in again.

good luck, you may well find a casual small town which has similar players who arent hardcore regulars like yourself that you can enjoy the game with.

[TeckXKnight]

http://www.havenandhearth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=25950
^ this is what most likely happens to the villages with only casual players.
if none of your villagers worry about the similar fate, then you might as well try and enjoy it.
but if you depend on others to protect you while you go casual, your option is to play a hermit.

Does Hippievillage really count as casual players? They always seemed like they were on top of their game to me.

[joojoo1975]

to play as a casual player is not bad, as long as you define casual.

If you can only play 3-5 hours a week, your not casual, your non-existent

if you can play every other day for about an hour or two. you just barely fit the bill as casual in my book. Then again I play bout 18+ hours a week, still spend time with my wife and work full time.

if you want village life, you gotta figure out what you can do well in your gaming time. When i was a villager who was the main cook, my job was to fill FEP orders and such. I didn't grow/harvest the crops or hunt/butcher the meat. I made the food. Don't expect me to go out and fill the curio cupboards or milk the cows or harvest your crops. if i have taken care of my curio need as well as made sure there is food on the table, i may have time to do that. but don't expect me to do it. Now if there is a village project that everyone is helping on, count me in.

imho that's the main problem with villages these days. everyone likes the concept of specializing your character and everyone working for everyone's greater good. but it seldom happens. peeps get greedy, and your village breaks down.

ok i'm going off the rails a bit, so i'm gonna stop there.

bottom line OP. figure out what you can do well in your time alloted and work on that.

[Tonkyhonk]

Does Hippievillage really count as casual players? They always seemed like they were on top of their game to me.

dunno, thats what they said (the reason of not seeing the ram at all and accused of a bug raid.)

[Eemerald]

to play as a casual player is not bad, as long as you define casual.

If you can only play 3-5 hours a week, your not casual, your non-existent

if you can play every other day for about an hour or two. you just barely fit the bill as casual in my book. Then again I play bout 18+ hours a week, still spend time with my wife and work full time.

if you want village life, you gotta figure out what you can do well in your gaming time. When i was a villager who was the main cook, my job was to fill FEP orders and such. I didn't grow/harvest the crops or hunt/butcher the meat. I made the food. Don't expect me to go out and fill the curio cupboards or milk the cows or harvest your crops. if i have taken care of my curio need as well as made sure there is food on the table, i may have time to do that. but don't expect me to do it. Now if there is a village project that everyone is helping on, count me in.

imho that's the main problem with villages these days. everyone likes the concept of specializing your character and everyone working for everyone's greater good. but it seldom happens. peeps get greedy, and your village breaks down.

ok i'm going off the rails a bit, so i'm gonna stop there.

bottom line OP. figure out what you can do well in your time alloted and work on that.

specializing for the towns greater good does work, problem is it cant work if the player jsut shows up a few times a week. If youre in a town with 10 other people, and you're a farmer, or cook, or sorting silk or cheese, or animals or trees, or whatever other jobt hee is, and youre not logging in at least once a day for a couple of hours then theres no way you can be relied on, unless the job is shared, and even then if the eprosn ure sharing that job with is active and you're not, yet youre getting the same ebefits being in a village it's unfair. there is little int his game which allows for a aprt time player to be n a village, except maybe as hunter, if theres other hunters int he village to be relied on.

[joojoo1975]

I believe you and I are speaking the same language emerald.

it's all about the deffination of casual.

If ole dude is one once a week, but during that time he killse 20 boars, 10 bears, and a buttload of deer, as long as the village does not run out of meat, hide, bone, and all the other things critters provide, then he's an asset.

as for character specialization, of course it can work. but you have to admit that there is always somebody in the village who is not pulling thier load. most times that person can be removed from village, other times that person cannot be removed cause it's the LS's girlfriend. or it's the Chiefton's RL brother. or It's a villager who knows a Good trade contact and he gets all haughty and such.


Greed is a very disruptive force in H&H

[Eemerald]

I believe you and I are speaking the same language emerald.

it's all about the deffination of casual.

If ole dude is one once a week, but during that time he killse 20 boars, 10 bears, and a buttload of deer, as long as the village does not run out of meat, hide, bone, and all the other things critters provide, then he's an asset.

as for character specialization, of course it can work. but you have to admit that there is always somebody in the village who is not pulling thier load. most times that person can be removed from village, other times that person cannot be removed cause it's the LS's girlfriend. or it's the Chiefton's RL brother. or It's a villager who knows a Good trade contact and he gets all haughty and such.


Greed is a very disruptive force in H&H

no personal relations in town, i generally remove people who arent really pulling their weight, unless its just specific set of circumstances which meant they cant do so for a period of time, but its mainly with villagers consensus, since when they're working and others arent it effects them, and therefore they start to do less or get bogged down in that persons job which means a generally tense village which isnt pleasant.

if i dont see a villager ive recruited log at least once a day and see them working, then it does bug me, especially at this stage int he game whereby they enjoy the security and set up the starter villagers worked to produce in the town. Hunting to me is the only job i'd have little issue with someone being part time with, but thats because we have a few hunters and tamed animals produce a lot of meat to not require a huge amount being hunter. but still 2 hrs a day is casual to me if im going to compre it to the time spent by the rst of the villagers ingame.

[nerdyaf]

I am a hermit atm and it gets boring.. Im not asking for someone to keep me safe while im offline just a group of people to atleast talk to and to give me something to do when i am online, I have previously hermitted outside a village for weeks on end until they trust me to allow me in. I just think it sucks that no one gives you a chance anymore.

[Eemerald]

I am a hermit atm and it gets boring.. Im not asking for someone to keep me safe while im offline just a group of people to atleast talk to and to give me something to do when i am online, I have previously hermitted outside a village for weeks on end until they trust me to allow me in. I just think it sucks that no one gives you a chance anymore.

i think if you were in a big town, you'd udnerstand better why theyre not generally willing to give chances to new players who dont log on often. saying that, i agree, doignt his game alone is boring, even in a town when others arent around, it does make u less motivated to do stuff. but if you want jsut some people to talk to, then kin some people and talk to them. maybe within that friendship then theyd be willing to invite you into a town.

[joojoo1975]

no personal relations in town, i generally remove people who arent really pulling their weight, unless its just specific set of circumstances which meant they cant do so for a period of time, but its mainly with villagers consensus, since when they're working and others arent it effects them, and therefore they start to do less or get bogged down in that persons job which means a generally tense village which isnt pleasant.

if i dont see a villager ive recruited log at least once a day and see them working, then it does bug me, especially at this stage int he game whereby they enjoy the security and set up the starter villagers worked to produce in the town. Hunting to me is the only job i'd have little issue with someone being part time with, but thats because we have a few hunters and tamed animals produce a lot of meat to not require a huge amount being hunter. but still 2 hrs a day is casual to me if im going to compre it to the time spent by the rst of the villagers ingame.

sounds like you have a good handle on things. in some of the villages i been in, not so good. some where on the change of policy of allowing thier players to do raids on newb villages(and this was after i talked to them for a bit). others were rather to lenient on thier recruitment policy and then were raided. still others didn't understand the importance and forthought on everybody gets a "piece of the pie" and just not thier girlfriend. and still others who wanted to use quality mats to make banners instead of quality curios. and my personal favorite, others who walk around with the village keys on thier forageing char because, "If i die, i'm taking the village with me."

mayby i'm just jaded