The Fate of Account Thieves (Portgas&co)

[burgingham]

Honestly, them modding it isn't terrible, it's the fact that they keep deterring people from coming to play the game with their pessimistic attitudes. No one gives a shit if you don't want to play the game or think it's broken, you don't need to broadcast that to every new player.

So we are supposed to turn this into a happy funland where nobody is allowed to voice his opinion anymore as soon as it critizises the game? The day Jorb starts paying me big chunks of money I will do just that. Until then I will say whatever I feel like saying. It does in no way affect my ability to recognize spam or insulting posts or porn when I see it here. So what the fuck does it have to do with my job as a mod? Thought you were a bit smarter than that or are you just provoking people here?

That whole loosing stuff is of course nonsense too and has nothing to do with it btw. Probably very convenient though to always and continuously mix in game affairs with out of game opinions. I consider the game broken because it is broken and not because there were some in game troubles. I am very capable of distinguishing the two.

Fact is the game has severe problems that affect its future reputation at this point too. Sure, one can simply ignore it and just carry on and call everyone who voices their opinion a retard. Or one could start to think about how to make this work the best for the future, determine the actual goal and then act accordingly.

If the devs support Sabis opinion here and merely provide us with a server and a forum and all the rest is up to the community wether it drowns in a huge pile of shit or not then well that is their choice. Since this game has gotten a decent sized community by now though, gets regular donations which finance the servers and also has somehwhat of a reputation in certain other communities (I am talking about a good reputation as a unique game here. Let us forget for a second that many people already changed their opinion about that) I dare to say though that the devs have certain responsibilities towards the community. At this point a few people having a constructive pessimistic attitude seems not to deter many people anyway btw. But when stuff like account theft just goes unpunished then those kids will keep pushing it, because they have been pushing it for a while and nobody is stopping them. It started with a few illegal vaults and now we are at distributing infected clients already.

Like Patchouli mentioned when someone who doesn't only have half a brain like Portgas starts to abuse the game in this way then soon everyone is affected by this. Be sure if I had any ill means towards the community then there are possibilities mainly through social engineering to affect a majority of the playerbase with such clients or at least compromise the security of their in game posessions. The same goes for vaults. People haven't even scratched the surface of options there are to abuse vaults and if I were to do that then it could be taken to a whole other level. You can easily build vaults that actively fight back against attackers for example.

But sure JC as long as you can cut a few noobs heads off in game everything is good and shiny. You are either naive or a troll to label us as pessimists destroying the games playerbase here. The playerbase and the game as a whole is destroyed by a whole lot of other things and there just happen to be a few smart enough to point it out. If I were to discover the game today and first thing I read everywhere are half a dozen threads about compromised clients and stolen accounts then I sure wouldn't even touch this with a stick. You can keep having fun in game, but don't label us as idiots for calling out some legitimate problems that have not been adressed at all. I am far from being the biggest pessimist here btw and am very aware the game always has been broken aka is in a testing stage, but still the latest developments are worrysome and need to be adressed by the devs.

Sorry for wall fo text. Was meant to be a few lines only....

[Avu]

It wasn't just pande losing world 5 it was every single town that did not play the retarded way the game has to be played now. Hidden low key production centers and vaults all over the place raiding everyone and it's mother. You raider fags love it that's why you still play but guess what it's pretty much only you left. Name a peaceful world 6 major power.

As for world 3 dupe? Wtf are you on? We never duped anything. As for seed prayer hah it was broken but only after months of work and pretty much forced you two make two uber farm chars that I remind you had to be actually worked on not just put curios and forget. And brickbasher was a huge investment in time and production as well. But see a common pattern here? They all meant you had to produce shit not just jump walls and raid and hide in vaults. And really victory in world 3? What exactly is this victory? A stalemate with AD brickbasher versus brickbasher both pretty much afraid to use it first or lose it?

And scents pointing to them? That surely is proof of their evil doings no? Fuck you and your raider town.

[Patchouli_Knowledge]

I think people are taking this entirely too far. I agree that there are some very broken concepts at the moment, vault being one of them. I had shared some of the designed I made to some members in the inner party as well as a possible siege aspect that may help combat this threat. Unfortunate nothing has been done aside from removing charterstones.

Along with this, you now have people that are actively phishing for accounts by all means necessary. It is too early to say how this will end as we have not seen what loftar and jorb will say on this and I hope some action is done or not even a new community will delete the problem. it is unresolved so far and I hope it will change for the better

In summary, the current state is in an entropic state with little going on to reorganized the disarray of factors that is causing the game to be at a low state at the moment. It will take me much motivation for me to return to the way it is. However, I will not impose my own thoughts onto others of the community as they have their own right to play, even though the equilibrium of the metagame is quite unbalanced.

Despite all of this, I do feel somewhat that some players are implyng to others to never play Haven and Hearth and giving hidden implication (imtentional or not) that it will never be improved and is an abandonware forever. Correct me if I am wrong but this is as damaging to the community as maintaining what we have at the moment as well as well as give a bad impression of the game to others when the veterans are implying that they should not play.

A side note that while many of the high level veteran wish the server to be shut down t preserve the sanctity of the spirit of the game. There are some individuals that posted in this thread to shut down the entire game due to the community and how it has degraded to the lowest level.


Last note is that my current thought process is a bit disarray due to lacking sleep

[ewlol]

The whole point:

Why continue festering a diseased game until it totally destroys itself and implodes, when you can shut it down and take a break to collect your ideas and develop a plan?

Quit focusing on the fact that I don't play and look at the issues before fucking give your 30 sec quick reply.

[painhertz]

"Name a peaceful world 6 major power."

Emerald City, and I imagine there are tons of others who's members just don't converse on the forums. Maybe I'm just easy to please but i have no less fun today with the game than I did at the beginning of World 4 when it started. Vaults or not, large factions can crush hermits with no problems and no hope of revenge anyway (I'm looking at you Polish types) so it's not like vaults ruin "my" fun.

We ALL know that Jorb and Loftar are building Salem FOR A LIVING (It's their right to have a career, right?), and we've known this since pretty much the beginning of World 5 but it seems there's a small faction of people that are starting to forget this simple concept and act as though Jorbtar has time to do updates on Haven. You play the game AS IS and if it doesn't suit you, just move on.

You for SURE aren't helping the future of the game by telling prospective players that "The game is broken." and that it "Should be brought down until they can fix/update it". That's just running people off and giving the mouth breathers more ammo.

[Radiant_Maelstrom]

The whole point:

Why continue festering a diseased game until it totally destroys itself and implodes, when you can shut it down and take a break to collect your ideas and develop a plan?

Quit focusing on the fact that I don't play and look at the issues before fucking give your 30 sec quick reply.

Supersize doesn't make your point anymore valid.

I do not mind for a temporary pause of the game for a better future as I can stand to wait. What I do not like is the attitude that people have been throwing at each other of late due to the recent events. It's becoming red vs blue here and are polarized as badly as the Sodom vs AD drama except far worse the game's future is involved.

Also I think Portgas is having a kick out of this game drama at our expense.

[bmjclark]

Despite all of this, I do feel somewhat that some players are implyng to others to never play Haven and Hearth and giving hidden implication (imtentional or not) that it will never be improved and is an abandonware forever. Correct me if I am wrong but this is as damaging to the community as maintaining what we have at the moment as well as well as give a bad impression of the game to others when the veterans are implying that they should not play.

You for SURE aren't helping the future of the game by telling prospective players that "The game is broken." and that it "Should be brought down until they can fix/update it". That's just running people off and giving the mouth breathers more ammo.

This is more the fact that i was trying to get at. Burgingham i was using ur post as an example and i got frustrated that MODERATORS are the ones posting this stuff. Sorry to bring other stuff into it.

@avu there were IRC logs posted where DoG stated you guys were duping items.

EDIT again, i wasn't trying to say that we weren't a raider town, just that we don't just go around killing only "Clueless noobs" as you call them.

[Hourai_Chimes]

All of this arguing gives me the impression that we are all trying to decide the game's future regardless of what the developers want.

On top of this, we are completely sidewind from the entire original topic. Not sure if this entire argument is relevant to portgas and his client scam.

@bmj duping stuff? Can we not side track even further with bagouser accusations.

[cobaltjones]

The whole point:

Why continue festering a diseased game until it totally destroys itself and implodes, when you can shut it down and take a break to collect your ideas and develop a plan?

Quit focusing on the fact that I don't play and look at the issues before fucking give your 30 sec quick reply.

Uhh that's not the way video games work you idiot.

[bmjclark]

Ya sorry, didn't mean to get side tracked with it. Was trying to make a point which was shrouded in frustration. =|