New player looking for information on game politics

[Amanda44]

Although we've all completely gone off topic - i've never once thought that you were a moron Painhertz, lol, its just quantum physics isn't everyones cup of tea.

@ Gunnar - i liked the way Potjeh used it in this context though.

[SpakyPD]

(sigh)

Well now i have to get ready for work, so i'll not be able to reply to what ever you post until later on tonight.

but OK peaches. how about instead of just posting fluff and what not, you post some facts. lets start, shall we

1. Ainran and Dis(as well as a lot of other people) use(d) exploits and hacks in this game.

2. the stuff you got, by employing exploits and hacks, was better or you eliminated your enemies(thereby allowing you no real competition to oneself or to your curio productions and rescources.)

3. if none of this is true, then why did you use them in the first place. let me guess, just for defense, right?

Well I have enough information to answer your questions from an Ainran point of view.

1. Ainran did not use any exploits to raid any camps/villages for the first 2 months. We took part in a raid on AD where the ram was set in a bricked area off an unsealed CP, where, I think summoning in some people with higher STR to bash the wall is considered an 'exploit'? This I believe was at least 2 months into the world. WoR I wasn't around for but clearly it was summing people inside through use of 'exploiting' someone having a HS outside.

Almost all raids prior to the AD one were done by mining into towns, finding keys, or somehow getting the gates open by 'diplomacy'.

To be clear there were no 'hacks' used.

2. Stuff we got in the first two months was useful to our industry, but again, it was got through legit means in the game. Most of the loot was used for quantity operations, the quality was almost exclusively done in-house by ramones, a few others, and myself. By that time, anything acquired from raids did not improve the quality of anything.

[LadyGoo]

@joojoo1975, was going to be a wall of text, but decided to be concise. =D

You've mentioned in your post other people also used explots (we do not use not ingame methods to get an advantage, like account stealing, dddos), right?
But you're saying that exploits we use are better than ones used by our enemies? But how can they be better for ones, and worse for others?

It's not true saying that we're in the top because only exploits. In fact, we got the advantage by killing enemies outside (exception for WoR). Brest battle (19vs16 or so), the Dis vs Portgas and co (15 vs 10), Ainran hunting down Oddimonium people and summoning them because Oddi forgot to place their hearth fires, Ainran&Dis chases where lots of people from PH were killed. < - this pretty much summs up everything. In those fights we were not crashing their clients or whatever you might think. We are just more experienced, do not panic while fights, more coordinated since we can communicate each other via ventrillo (I am always in skype with englishspeakers to coordinate them with russian-speaking part). Since we have really low death rate our characters are naturally higher in skills and stats than our enemies'. Are those things explots? Deffinetely!

Also, false to think our enemies do not have resourses. It's like 2 q 100+ soil are in their hold, q 80 water (top for the world), q 77 clay and q 73 well. The thing I am trying to say that our enemies pretty much are the same in terms of resourses as we are. But-but terribly eliminating our enemies is an exploit? O_O If not, why did you mention this, since we are discussing your statement saying we got to the top by using exploits. I really see not link between exploits and not allowing our enemies to grow up (actually we do, we are not sieging their cities).

[kohg]

fap fap fap...

[Koru]

For example raid on WoR is very little described, you must admit that finding hs after big rage of Koreans on forum and few kills on Dis/Ainran by WoR is a big coincidence. Great lags while Dis members were trapped in alt cage also gives to think. Screens of your client shows multiple icons with features we can only wonder what they are for. It gives the image that even if someone will do anything to you, you will get a revenge no matter what cost and way. The mentioned upper image plus hatred of few ppl on this forum says that Dis is full of depraved players with ability to use bugs.
I don't want to judge anybody, just saying how ppl can see some things here. Even as their enemy I wouldn't say Dis dominates world cus they use exploits. Many ppl would like to believe that for an excuse of their weakness. I am pretty sure they use some things unknown for rest that gives some advantage, but unless they know some kind of bug, I don't know, for example veeeery high quality coal bug, it is still only the advantage, not the key to their success.

[Tonkyhonk]

now look at how the sexy mouth opens wide when she knows she can beat easy lol

also

the quality was almost exclusively done in-house by ramones, a few others, and myself. By that time, anything acquired from raids did not improve the quality of anything.

lets read back what ramones said regarding that...

[Valten21]

the stuff you got, by employing exploits and hacks, was better or you eliminated your enemies(thereby allowing you no real competition to oneself or to your curio productions and rescources.)

What hacks did we use to have our brick wall finished by the 3rd day of the world? What exploits did we use to rush the quality of our cutthroats and bows, (tree's, leather)? To find our silver? To find our gold?

None. We used a decent sized player base and organization, the first thing we did after securing a resource spot was begin making our brick wall. With only 1 miner, and 3 farmers, we managed to produce a brick wall, top quality cutthroat cuirass's for core fighters, and wooden bows earlier then anyone else in the world. (Note, the person who was mining (quasist) did not use bots, and neither did the main farmers (Spaky, Epee). )

Our fighters were all pushing their stats as well, Jordan Clark didn't even sleep the first day but instead boated around chain studying ant soldiers and eating blueberries, he was the first of us with rage and had the highest combat stat at the time. Other core fighters followed in a similar fashion the best they could.

We played aggressive, as soon as the brick wall was finished we were attacking everyone on sight, and striking other villages that were still building (to acomplish this - "eliminated your enemies(thereby allowing you no real competition" -. No "hacks" were used to accomplish any of this. As for resources, we fought for and secured what we could, vandalizing what we could not, we didn't even use alts for this. These first months were great times.

We all worked hard and no lifed to the maximum to get what we have and I wont let you discredit the hard work of people like Quasist, Spaky, Epee, Ashley, and Ramones.

No enemy was a threat, and no resource out of reach, we stole, killed, and vandalized without retribution because anyone who tried to accomplish that typically ended up dead. (never forget, Jiochan)


Let's take a look at your examples of our rampant bug abuse, and hacks, starting with Winterfell. I won't deny anything there, yes we used strongbox's and houses to box a ram, it would be ridiculous to expect a un-walled ram to survive when there are wall patrolling bots that we confirmed Narfell (members in Winterfell this world) have access to. Surprisingly, we managed to ram (with an unprotected ram) their tree farm and steal from them herbalist tables they bought from Ramones.

Next, was Wrath Of Rabbits. I guess you missed the part where AD/Portgas managed to acquire log in details to one of the characters inside Dis, using it to destroy the plot he was in, and subsequently drowning the character. This is why we attacked WoR (using an alt capable of summoning, spawned through a hearthfire outside in the village). I was against this idea, using the logic that counter attacking with the same questionable tactics was not going to help discourage the use of them in the future, and because of this, stopped playing after the raid. Hope that answers your question Gunnar.

JooJoo, I we wouldn't need hacks and exploits to have an advantage over you.

i think what your missing here is the fact that you guys are on top and you got there via exploit/cheat means.

Not quite, we got on top, then used exploits/cheats (WoR raid) to remain here.

[Aracos]

the stuff you got, by employing exploits and hacks, was better or you eliminated your enemies(thereby allowing you no real competition to oneself or to your curio productions and rescources.)

What hacks did we use to have our brick wall finished by the 3rd day of the world? What exploits did we use to rush the quality of our cutthroats and bows, (tree's, leather)? To find our silver? To find our gold?

None. We used a decent sized player base and organization, the first thing we did after securing a resource spot was begin making our brick wall. With only 1 miner, and 3 farmers, we managed to produce a brick wall, top quality cutthroat cuirass's for core fighters, and wooden bows earlier then anyone else in the world. (Note, the person who was mining (quasist) did not use bots, and neither did the main farmers (Spaky, Epee). )

Our fighters were all pushing their stats as well, Jordan Clark didn't even sleep the first day but instead boated around chain studying ant soldiers and eating blueberries, he was the first of us with rage and had the highest combat stat at the time. Other core fighters followed in a similar fashion the best they could.

We played aggressive, as soon as the brick wall was finished we were attacking everyone on site, and striking other villages that were still building (to acomplish this - "eliminated your enemies(thereby allowing you no real competition" -. No "hacks" were used to accomplish any of this. As for resources, we fought for and secured what we could, vandalizing what we could not, we didn't even use alts for this. These first months were great times.

We all worked hard and no lifed to the maximum to get what we have and I wont let you discredit the hard work of people like Quasist, Spaky, Epee, Ashley, and Ramones.

No enemy was a threat, and no resource out of reach, we stole, killed, and vandalized without retribution because anyone who tried to accomplish that typically ended up dead. (never forget, Jiochan)


Let's take a look at your examples of our rampant bug abuse, and hacks, starting with Winterfell. I won't deny anything there, yes we used strongbox's and houses to box a ram, it would be ridiculous to expect a un-walled ram to survive when there are wall patrolling bots that we confirmed Narfell (members in Winterfell this world) have access to.

oh god, part of my post got deleted... gona read what I wrote again and add it in.

What the hell are you triying to justify??, exploting because we may had patrol bots?? that village did not even have a paved line for a patrol bot to use , not a single milestone, so gtfo with that stupid justification just makes you sound like and asshole.

Say the truth, say how you told me you would not even raid a village and after we killed Jiochan and a load of warrior with less number your village was so butthurt that you decided to go trough the exploit and easy way to take us down with cheats because you were pissed.

[Valten21]

Aracos after finding a fire sign with pine boughs in it outside his village

really? bugjumps?

[Aracos]

Aracos after finding a fire sign with pine boughs in it outside his village

really? bugjumps?

So what?, you gonna try to dont talk about the shit you did making fun of me? dont be a kid, take responsability of what you did just because someone pissed you.