Ainran/Dis fight with ???/RiC

[burgingham]

Jesus Christ Burg seriously just do yourself and us all a favor and quit the forums. I don't think you've brought a single valid discussion point in the past 4 months.

I seriously don't see what I did. I haven't posted anything in days, am asking a single question and everyone starts piling on me...

The only thing I have been posting the past week was help for newbies, support in the critique forums, advice in the D&T. Nobody looks there of course.

Maybe it is time to quit the forums when even the ones I considered having at least half a brain here have gone completely idiotic. The Ainran crew is posting bullshit the entire thread and I am the one who screwed up? Jeez...

[Koru]

Cus there is no good or evil in hnh and Portgas isn't worse or better than anybody else. We have same enemy in game and we enjoy the fights.

[Valten21]

Well Burg, from looking through the posts, I would say what you did wrong is keep falling back on the excuse that you were only trying to ask a question, when the you had already answered it. It didn't seem like you were trying to acquire any insight as to why people are allied with Portgas, just that you thought Dis was a worse ally to have over Portgas.

On the other hand, if you had asked this

"Was it simple opportunism? Him being capable to add some power to their alliance? Or is there actually a congruence of interests and ideologies?"

I feel you would of got an answer sooner.

[burgingham]

Cus there is no good or evil in hnh and Portgas isn't worse or better than anybody else. We have same enemy in game and we enjoy the fights.

Ok, thank you.

[DDDsDD999]

And not a fuck was gained, lost, acknowleged, made, known, found, discovered, or given through the entirety of this thread.

I'll be damned.

[burgingham]

At least we both got a new avatar.

[martenx]

At least we both got a new avatar.

Im scared of yours

[Tonkyhonk]

Cus there is no good or evil in hnh and Portgas isn't worse or better than anybody else. We have same enemy in game and we enjoy the fights.

probably portgas is just one loudest trickster that stands out because he spams, but he is/was playing with the pathetic abuser group who 1) tried to use stolen accounts and 2) have crashed the server at least more than once on purpose to avoid getting raided. and i didnt think people would be willing to side with such group without politics, what alternatives bring about. or, like you said, koru, both sides are the same abusers and "no worse nor better"?
or maybe people only shout for abusers just for the sake of it and actually dont care the matter itself.

so who is "???"?

(btw, @anon, almost everyone is nice when you have an opportunity to get to know and talk in person. it is rather about the person's ingame behavior and values that matter. but i see some people dont care.)

[Kaios]

almost everyone is nice when you have an opportunity to get to know and talk in person.

truth

[Koru]

Cus there is no good or evil in hnh and Portgas isn't worse or better than anybody else. We have same enemy in game and we enjoy the fights.

probably portgas is just one loudest trickster that stands out because he spams, but he is/was playing with the pathetic abuser group who 1) tried to use stolen accounts and 2) have crashed the server at least more than once on purpose to avoid getting raided. and i didnt think people would be willing to side with such group without politics, what alternatives bring about. or, like you said, koru, both sides are the same abusers and "no worse nor better"?
or maybe people only shout for abusers just for the sake of it and actually dont care the matter itself.

So he used stolen accounts. Is it worse than wall jumps, coal bugs, lagging server on purpose, bots, extended clients, abuse game mechanisms or anything like that? Every bigger faction did/do/will do this, but some find excuses for their dirty work, some propaganda with demagogy skill, hiding in HVs far from main village, using proxy or other tools to hide in shadows.
Now few of them quit and blame rest for broken game. Those "old vets" did the same, but now there are ppl who do this better so we have rage on forum about unplayable game. They didn't think about newbies when they were on top, what makes them concern about them now? It isn't like game changed in one day cus bad Ainran/Dis started playing. We, active playerbase, adapted to conditions that were left by old superpowers.