The Fate of Account Thieves (Portgas&co)

[Avu]

Look no offense but you're all under the impression that they are working on salem and they will be back some day to glorious HH. I wish I was as naive as that but I am not I really don't believe they will ever come back to HH (and by the looks of it they're not terribly interested in salem either at least not in interacting with the limited community that is alpha testing it and we're supposed to be the anal friends mind you).

It's clear to me from talks I had with Jorb that he isn't exactly thrilled HH is full of russians (which I blame for a lot of things but I blame Jorb and Loftar more for not doing anything about it). We've had client makers before too, we had antagonistic morally questionable groups before (the goons used to be bad guys once upon a time) but we never pulled the shit the russians are pulling constantly. Wall jumpings of any kind all unreported of course, an entire world of botting for power that lead to the lp system change (world 4), server crashes, now account theft, their entire win at any costs game be damned attitude I mean fuck koya was lying in inner party just so he can protect their botting operations.

Jorb used to get his kicks from the conflict of so called good versus evil (you do remember the original Xanadu right?) there is no good anymore there is just cattle and big and bigger wolves. I mean fuck world 5 pande by the end was a collection of pretty much every single decent (and not so decent) town not russian out there. That is not how I want to play. I don't want to be friends with the goons just because the russians are worse than them I want to be able to disagree and if russians are so bad I want to be able to work together wipe the fuckers out or they wipe us out and be done with it. Vaults over vaults over vaults with no fucking clue if a main base even exists not that you'd be able to get into that either. And world 6? Raider towns everywhere clueless people who think they are real powers like those Emerald dudes whoever the fuck they are, noobs that start playing and get raped with the inevitable this game sucks and you all suck threads and obviously no hope for that silly concept called justice. The complete and utter failure of the scent system that is now merely used as a teleporting system and or noob tracker.

The community is tainted you may refuse to see it either because you're too clueless, a silly optimist or part of the problem but the facts are facts. Closing down the game will solve nothing. The only thing that has any chance of working is serious arbitration. Bring down the jorb fist on anyone who hurts the game and use that in a very broad sense. Obviously they don't seem to care enough to do so either that or their silly libertarian ideas don't allow for goverment .

Jorb and Loftar may think they want to work on HH again but wanting and doing it is not the same thing especially when a for fun project isn't fun anymore.

[Sarge]

If the game is closed and becomes closed beta for certain people, I'm sure people that are left uninvited will never return to game anymore, at least 90% of them. I wouldn't return either.

I'm not saying this is the only solution, however, the picture is far bigger than losing, let's say ~500 players... meh fuckit, let's say 1000 current players. It is about not losing potential thousands more while the game is available to all in its current state.

[Tonkyhonk]

I don't want to be friends with the goons just because the russians are worse than them I want to be able to disagree and if russians are so bad I want to be able to work together wipe the fuckers out or they wipe us out and be done with it.

i guess they are pretty close to achieving that, or at least they see it that way.
you wouldnt admit it, i know, but that is the rule of common "truth", as in, only winners get to tell the history.
(btw, i love that comment on your desire to hate goons i hated russian raiders before i learned some facts on them. it is funny to imagine how the leaders of various countries wanted to shout the similar stuff while fighting germans and japanese in WW2.)

sure Pande and its friends would have owned bell & Co IF THEY DID NOT CRASH THE SERVER to prevent this from happening. (or you could have owned them IF YOU HAD STARTED IT BEFORE they joined up with several more ex-AD members.)
but shouting "IF" doesnt help and that is not the options available now. the only fact is that most of you left or decided to leave after that incident, deciding you couldnt win at all without (or even with) abusing bugs.

"In the midst of possible world war, of wholesale destruction, I find my only question this: are there enough people now who believe? Is there time enough left for the wise to act? It is a contest between ignorance and death, or wisdom and life." ～ Pearl C. Buck
maybe none of the wise are playing any more, according to you, but i thought this would fit in here



Now, Back onto the Original Topic.

someone i know has been telling me there are a few players who had their HFs inside Al-Qaeda before this incident, who have been raiding and griefing around, are still alive and have moved their HFs to a few vaults far like good hours away. (one of them called KFC lol Kentucky Fried Chicken?)
im wondering if they are the NNN spies so that they didnt get killed by this, or if any of those portgas mates got away with this fate of NNN revenge, so-to-call, laughing and still having fun.

can someone confirm either on this?

[painhertz]

From the Salem Christmas update just put up of Facebook by Jorb.....

"With that, your dashing developer duo at the Seatribe HQ wish to wish you a very, merry Christmas. We hope to see you all once the beta opens up, which we expect should happen sometime at the turn of the New Year!"


Beta for January. Guess we aren't all abandoned, eh?

[Oddity]

open beta?

[burgingham]

I am not really suggesting to shut the game down entirely, I love it way too much for that. Everyone flat out denying there is a problem here is a... misinformed indiviual in my eyes though.

There have been half a dozen of cases of account thefts in the past 2 weeks (Half a dozen of people stealing, not be stolen from. Those were much more). That has never happened before and we had playerbases this big in the past.

Again and again I see pictures of illegal vaults popping up. That hasn't happened before.

People are using several vaults as their number one base of operations and don't even bother with regular towns anymore. That hasn't happened before.

Why? Because people were under the impression that they would get kicked in their big behinds if they did shit like this.

Then one day they realized there is nobody to kick them anymore and now step by step they are trying how far they can go until anybody starts caring again. As I said so far those were only some kiddies who want to win no matter what it takes. They do not kow how to use the weapons of their choice to full potential. One day some sociopath or someone pissed enough by whatever might come along though to use such weapons to their full extend. That sounds more dramatic than it probably is, still people are assholes and if there are such loopholes they will sooner or later use them. I prefer to play games where such actions will be punished and thus nobody even dares to try.

We all know the devs have other priorities right now and nobody (or at least I am not) argueing with that. They should however at least show the will to punish particularly questionable behaviour. That is all I am asking for. A state of the heart post in the Announcements would also be nice, not only some post in the middle of some random thread.

For the game being broken, nobody has the right to tell me to shut up about it since only constant critizising will keep people aware and it might get changed in the future. I have played the game enough to be able to make an informed judgement about it and it is in fact worse than it has ever been. That is on the one hand due to the fact that they only forced very half-assed solutions on prior problems (such as the always been broken siege system) which kept on piling up and they know that themselves. On the other hand that has probably to do with the community getting bigger and better organized which also leads to more competition or more abuse however you want to put it.

So without insults and without being called a moron or calling others that I think there at least is a reason to talk about problems. This thread and the recent events alone show that.

[burgingham]

From the Salem Christmas update just put up of Facebook by Jorb.....

"With that, your dashing developer duo at the Seatribe HQ wish to wish you a very, merry Christmas. We hope to see you all once the beta opens up, which we expect should happen sometime at the turn of the New Year!"


Beta for January. Guess we aren't all abandoned, eh?

With all due respect to the two devs, but What? How? Never...

[Hourai_Chimes]

Not saying you are but some others are going around preaching "oh devs left/don't care about the game, fuck this game forever" and it gets grating when they post it roughly half of the time they say something. What is worse is that they are higher level players but start to drop down to the players that they so love to insult.

[Kaios]

Yeah from what I've seen in skype over the past little while it doesn't sound like they've made much progress at all to be able to have a beta in January. Certainly not an open beta. Closed beta maybe but even that seems a bit of a stretch.

[cobaltjones]

The fact that this conversation/argument is popping up more and more every time I hop in the forums is proof enough that something is going wrong.

I haven't played since....World 4, I think? But Reading the posts, it seems the game has just become completely unplayable since anyway...


There are possible solutions based upon trust at hand here;
Why not appoint someone who has no interest in playing the game itself, or at least, any important political role/bias, as an illegal-vault nuker. That'd probably go a long way into making this game playable again. Vaults were hard enough to assault before illegal vaults became commonplace.

One or two moderator names come in my mind when I say this. Although Potjeh is/was BN I'm sure he'd always maintain a neutral role. Jackard was always, iirc, a man who prefers to do whatever he likes to do and just wanders about making/doing hermit thingies.

The only people suggesting the game be SHUT DOWN are people who aren't even currently playing the game. While there are some pretty major flaws, the game itself is completely playable by hundreds and hundreds of happy gamers.