best noobs stuck in korean village

[fruitscandy]

For ppl want to know about this stroy.....

One of union player saw few dragon-helms in cave and, he asks help for defense.

We said him blocking cave's exit ASAP,but they entered inside already.

Fortunatly, cave's outsides was palled,so we tried to make wall with new char with hope invaders return.

[TIME(PM)(GMT +09:00)] status

[8:40] defense started. and call all unions and friends for walling.
[9:00] walling pally with chars complete but they didnt return;
[9:09] half of pally destroyed 1 of our ranger logged on.
[9:15] call all allies for counter.
[9:20] cave entrance blocking succeed. and start ranger's battle.
[9:25] lagging started, our old soldier find they tried to crash server,so attack light armored but not well controlled.
[9:30] many of wall chars dead and wall line become larged. so call other friends for more chars.
[10:05] allies arrived. and horrorble lagging start.
[10:20] first knocked out.
[10:33] entrance blocked character disappeared. and 1 invaders escapes.
[10:35] other 4 invaders 'disappeared same time' in next frame.
[10:44] last invader(lure character?) escaped and 2 of our warriors chased, but invader have much support inside cave. our chase team retreated.

Thanks allies,friends and unions for helping. if not, char wall would broken and the village destroyed.
I didnt expect over 70 ppl comes for help, Thanks all helps from warrior to only 1 new char.
We couldnt succeed our bonus mission,but catch main defense mission. Congratulation alls.


(And I hope the magic 'World Stop' published to public like auto hearth. Omg.... I didnt think of script(?) in lagging maybe they used when escape.
So what magic is best for defending six ppl invaders not to call 70+ ppl everytime. )

[Vigilance]

sup sarchi,

and fag you are fucking pussy

i hope that wasn't directed towards me

u should get on skype some time :3

[burgingham]

Eh, what I think a lot of you are missing, (I'm looking at you Birg) is that for every Dis/Korea fight with lag scripts and wall jumping and blah blah blah there are 400 of the rest of us off doing our thing without any bug using and having a fine old time doing it. It's sort of this elitist perspective gained apparently only from running or being a part of one of the top 3 factions that disallows you guys from seeing the forest for the trees.

If Birg "stepped back from the abyss", forgot for a moment the grandeur of running a HUGE, talked about, faction and just hermited and did the thief/robber thing that I do, he'd soon find out that the game is every bit as fun as it ever was. You just have to stop having that macro view that every player is affected by wall jumping, chat attacks and crap like that. We not only aren't affected but really don't care.....

I don't doubt that. One comment I wrote yesterday is adressing exactly that. It is just the big factions represent this game on the outside and also I always used to be in one of them too so it is kinda my point of view to observe them.

@Ramo, come on man you are better than this. Butthurt? Really?

@Nyarl, yeah get on Skype dude. Miu is missing you too.

[GrayKarl]

sup sarchi,

and fag you are fucking pussy

i hope that wasn't directed towards me

u should get on skype some time :3

P.U.S.S.Y

[Vigilance]

[painhertz]

WarpedWiseMan: There are tons of towns through the hearthlands playing exactly as you say, they just aren't on the forums trumpeting it because yeah, they're "doing" it. I think these Ainran/Dis vs. Winterfell type threads give people the idea that this is the primary form of gameplay going on in the game but it just isn't true. For every Ainran there's 50 other mid sized towns somewhere in the game doing thier own things with their own local politics and history and going's on. I know this because in my SG, I could tell you some of this history be it who owned certain nodes at certain points, towns that have risen and fallen, etc etc. You even run across towns that are bigger and better designed than the big factions and arguably stronger who just don't play into the forum drama and or the "Dis/AD/Koreans/Poles" Clash of the Titans. In summation, if youaren't finding the form of game play you want to have, you aren't looking hard enough.....

or you aren't creating it......

[joojoo1975]

WarpedWiseMan: There are tons of towns through the hearthlands playing exactly as you say, they just aren't on the forums trumpeting it because yeah, they're "doing" it. I think these Ainran/Dis vs. Winterfell type threads give people the idea that this is the primary form of gameplay going on in the game but it just isn't true. For every Ainran there's 50 other mid sized towns somewhere in the game doing thier own things with their own local politics and history and going's on. I know this because in my SG, I could tell you some of this history be it who owned certain nodes at certain points, towns that have risen and fallen, etc etc. You even run across towns that are bigger and better designed than the big factions and arguably stronger who just don't play into the forum drama and or the "Dis/AD/Koreans/Poles" Clash of the Titans. In summation, if youaren't finding the form of game play you want to have, you aren't looking hard enough.....

or you aren't creating it......

i can almost agree with you. . .

almost.


the selling point on this game is perma-death, plain and simple.

in W3 ICA was a hotbed of topics because of Permadeath.
in W3 IFO was a bustling virtual marketplace because of politics

first off, death meant something and you couldnt have a "alt army" as you do now. So people didnt steal/vandal/kill on the scale that's going on now for the simple fact that death meant something. sure I could lose my 450 UA main, but it's gonna take me weeks to get him back up, depending on what, if any, of my village/hamlet is left after peeps killed me and razed my village(via hunting me down or gettin me while i was offline) and during them "weeks" you were actually playing this character(hunting, crafting, farming. copying maps) so the back to origional status was never certain.
So now that you had actual penalties, but they were never certain, peeps didnt play this game like WoW. and the next thing they did was come together into villages. these villages allowed peeps to specialize for the greater good and these villages began to become SG voices so to speak. other hermits/small villages felt a motem of saftey in the shadow of the "SG voice" but not all the bigger villages agreed or whatnot. also some of the other smaller factions/hamlets had some fucked up since of recruitment (Tarn of Hotdog) but this all created drama and whatnot and the smaller factions traded with the larger factions, for the most part, which kept IFO a boppin and a hoppin.

in short, since peeps cared more about thier chars than they do now, the game thrived and excelled.

now i feel as i read through the forums, i'm reading a play by play of World of Warcraft battlegrounds.


now on top of all this. we got a bunch of Sad pathetic cowards blatantly cheating(allegedly). and these are just a few factions. but unfourtantly these few factions are basically givin a "how-to" manual to fuck up the server or local area or pvp. . . (allegedly) So why spend the hours upon hours, just to have some ass-hat come and cheat you to death via known exploits? If you havent seen any of this first hand PH. well kudos to you. I haven't eather, but then again i follow Avu's advice on village/hamlets damn near to a tee. but the forums are clogged with one thing or another with noobs and not so noobs dieing all the time. how much of that do you think it's "butterfly effect" from these issues?

[Tonkyhonk]

looks like this thread is on the way to get derailed, like most other threads with dramas

anyways.

*ive edited some unnecessary lines to make the contents clearer*

11:56 loftar > I don't think so. I'm mapping unique IP addresses, so alts should only count as one.
11:57 loftar > That list also maps unique IP addresses, so that shouldn't be the case either.
11:57 Tonky > so alts were not counted there, right?
11:57 loftar > Not insofar as it counts IP addresses, not accounts, at least.
11:57 loftar > That's not to say that some of those logged in at the moment may not be playing alt characters, of course.
11:57 loftar > But multiboxing and switching between accounts would count as one, for instance.
11:58 loftar > On the other hand, people with dynamic IPs will be counted multiple times in the list on the forums.

120+ korean players online were not alts like someone accused somewhere
(in fact ive seen both korean and japanese player population increase as of late, as well as total population growth (almost twice as much as before), and it seems to be proven with loftars distribution thread update.)

12:01 Tonky > have you implemented auto-restart-server?
12:01 loftar > No, I have not, and it is unlikely that I will.
12:01 loftar > If the server crashes, it's rather unsafe to do anything automatic with it.
12:01 loftar > Better, then, to just fix the bugs.
12:02 loftar > I fixed some other exploits as well, so I hope the megalags might disappear.
12:02 loftar > I think it was an exploit in the land claiming UI.
12:02 Tonky > why was it going back and forth with server crashed and on status then?
12:02 Tonky > one moment it says, the server has crashed
12:02 loftar > Because someone tried to claim an enormous piece of land, and the server lagged out trying to verify its vailidity.
12:02 Tonky > next moment, the server is up
12:03 Tonky > oh
12:03 Rawrz > how enormous
12:03 loftar > The homepage says it's down if it hasn't responded for a minute.
12:03 loftar > That I don't know, but large enough to load many pieces of map.
12:03 loftar > Which also causes some subsequent lag because the server starts swapping out needlessly to fit it all into memory.
12:04 Rawrz > my goal is to claim an entire supergrid
12:04 loftar > Oh, that's no problem.
12:04 loftar > Probably, at least.
12:04 loftar > On the other hand, it will become a problem for you when we implement claim upkeep.
12:05 Tonky > was this person claiming more than a supergrid?
12:06 loftar > Yes, quite a lot more.
12:06 Rawrz > noway
12:06 Rawrz > thats like 250million lp
12:06 loftar > Probably more like 2 billion LP.
12:06 loftar > Of course, he didn't have that LP.
12:07 loftar > But the server checked the validity of the claim before the availability of LP.

12:07 Rawrz > isnt it like 10lp a tile to claim
12:08 Rawrz > so i think 250 mil might be right =p
12:08 loftar > Yeah, sure, what I meant to say was that I think whoever did it try to claim something with 2 billion LP or more.
12:09 Rawrz > probally to crash the server to save them a life =p
12:09 loftar > Nah, more likely simply to gain LP.
12:09 loftar > Then when they discovered the unintended consequences of it, they probably sploited it subsequently for that reason.

13:06 loftar > I don't think that a ton of alts would cause lag, though.
13:07 loftar > I would perhaps not entirely exclude the possibility, but I don't think so.
13:07 Rawrz > on screen it would, fights lag a ton
13:07 loftar > Oh certainly, but that's a client issue.

13:29 ArvinJA > loftar, does the server have any protection against DoS attacks?
13:29 loftar > I don't know if that's a valid proposition, ArvinJA.
13:29 ArvinJA > I mean, even if you limit what the server relays to clients, there needs to be protections for what the server is willing to listen to
13:29 loftar > There isn't really such a thing as a DoS attack "in general".
13:30 loftar > They always exist in a context.
13:30 ArvinJA > Well, let's say a player spammed really long strings to the server at a high frequency
13:30 loftar > Long "strings"? Of what? Chat?
13:30 ArvinJA > yes
13:30 loftar > I don't think the server would care about that.
13:30 Tonky > so, this DDoS attack people mentioning is an illusion?
13:30 ArvinJA > Hm, have to do some calculations
13:31 loftar > I'm pretty sure the DoS attack (that caused lag) was the claim bug.
13:31 Tonky > interesting
13:31 Tonky > are we allowed to say that on that thread?
13:32 loftar > Well, since it's supposedly fixed, I don't see anything wrong with that.
13:32 Tonky > ok, dont be surprised after seeing one of us quoting you that
13:32 Tonky > with*
13:32 loftar > on*

ha ha, quoted a bit too long?

[bitza]

i quit playing a while back, and sometimes i really miss this game.

but then i see crap like this and i realize that what i miss is a game that doesn't really exist anymore

[painhertz]

Very interesting, Thanks Tonk.