The story about glorious A.D

[APXEOLOG]

and I'm saying, that you shouldnt be able to raid a big village with active and not lazy players, that is logical, that is a reason to unite
most of islands arent big enough to build a real village there
and vaults it is another problem, which should be fixed

I'm not sure that it is logical that i couldn't raid big village.
Anyway i agree that bugs are bad and i'd like to play without them like i was in W4. But there's no way to do it since my enemies use them against me.

[_Gunnar]

To a) It is important to stress the intensity. You are deliberately choosing exactly that portion of the game as your focus where you will encounter the brokeness each and every minute. I mean I get people like Yolan, he picks an entirely different focus and I can see how that is entertaining since the broken factors are no more than a peripheral phenomenon.

i do really think that this is an important point, haven is not only about faction wars, and is actually way more fun and less broken if you're not involved... I hope you guys don't put newer players off the game by constantly whining about how broken it is cause you can/can't crush the other faction :p

[burgingham]

For now Apxe is spending most of his time farming and feeding his char in our plot. So again, you're assuming that most of his online is spent on raiding someone. You FEEEEEEL.
As for the proper answers, there is no need for them. All this was discussed multiple times before, and you came here again with the same arguements. Why to bother?

Well ok, let me put it differently. Did you ever harm another player or his possessions in game even though he did no prior harm to yourself or any of your friends or allies?

If you answer that with yes, then please answer my prior questions because then I feel like they apply to you and you rmotivation as a player.

[_Gunnar]

Kirribilli* lives...

(*was that the name?)

[LadyGoo]

Well ok, let me put it differently. Did you ever harm another player or his possessions in game even though he did no prior harm to yourself or any of your friends or allies?

Yup. ^^ As well as I have helped to people without expecting any benefits for myself or for my allies. So welp, you won't convice me that what you FEEEEL is a right thing.

[burgingham]

I am not sure what you mean now, Gunnar?

You mean us raiding them? It looked at that point in time as if they harmed and wronged us. It was certainly one of the toughest decisions I ever made in HnH and I certainly regret it now since I am pretty sure I was wrong there.

That is besides the point I am making though, because I am pretty sure Dis spend a good amount of their time just boating around, killing whatever was in their sight and bashing whatever wasn't protected well enough. That is certainly something I can say I never did in my entire HnH career, not even in Wayneville when I was admittedly new to online games and morally a bit unstable, or rather I had no idea I needed to have morals in a game.

Even then I always stayed in town though, never raided a single town. I killed 3 people in my entire HnH career. One attacked me and then tried to escape. One bashed our town and I punished her and the third tried to protect the one I was punishing while I did so.

I am not saying I was always right and morally unassailable in my ways in HnH (I am in fact sorry for quite a few things I did to others and I would never do that again), but I feel like there is a qualitative difference here and I want to know more about it. In all honesty I do, that has something to do with my professional work at the moment actually, that isn't too far off from this topic as I am reading and studying about social behaviour and conflict in online communities.

@LadyGoo: I don't want to convince you or anything. I want you to please answer to the initial questions I posed since I feel like I could learn something then about you. So far you have been flat out avoiding to answer them which kind of gives me the feeling like my prejudices were correct all along.

A right does not wipe out a wrong. A wrong stays there to remain until you actually make up for that wrong. You cannot kill person A and then go give person B a nice trinket and then the harm of person A does not exist anymore. In terms of this game you would have to go back to them, apologize, help them get back on their feet etc.

So did you do that with every single person you wronged? Then my apologies, I misjudged you. Otherwise I think i am correct in assuming that you gain pleasure out of harming others and that would then lead me to wanting an answer to my other questions as I am unable to grasp that kind of behaviour.

[LadyGoo]

the feeling like my prejudices were correct all along.

Feeeel, feeel feeel feel. And again you feeel, feel feel feel.

[burgingham]

How is that acting mature towards me and trying to discuss with me? I am asking questions, I am trying to make arguments that actually prove those "feelings"* and all you do is being sassy and insult me.

Apx, can you honestly look me in the face ( so to speak) now and tell me you guys really want to have a super mature discussion with me and talk about all of this? I feel like this is not happening...but maybe I am wrong abou tthis one too

[LadyGoo]

insult me.

This is how you feeel, feel feel feel it.

[burgingham]

Ok, if you have nothing to contribute then please do not continue with this trolling. I am waiting for an answer of one of your faction members maybe (or people from similar factions. Even Nao does a better job discussing with me seriously than you. Maybe him or Valten or someone wants to jump in).

If you want to really discuss with me, take my intial post asking questions and make a list please answering 1. a) and b) and 2.

Thank you.