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[Koru]

Sorry Valten, but here I am with Aracos. He refused to join bug raids in Pande and for that Winterfell was ridiculed by everyone. This world he used exploits and ppl jump on them for that. Something is wrong with the community where everybody is against using bugs, but when nobody sees they use it, deny it, looking for new ones, and smiling when others don't do the same.
Also I am not buying stuff with WoR raid. Portgas did something so we gonna raid Koreans cus they were allied? For me it looks like Koreans were catching you up and something had to be done. Or it was just an excuse, that if Portgas can, we can do same shit to others?

[Shiro_kun]

Sorry Valten, but here I am with Aracos. He refused to join bug raids in Pande and for that Winterfell was ridiculed by everyone. This world he used exploits and ppl jump on them for that. Something is wrong with the community where everybody is against using bugs, but when nobody sees they use it, deny it, looking for new ones, and smiling when others don't do the same.
Also I am not buying stuff with WoR raid. Portgas did something so we gonna raid Koreans cus they were allied? For me it looks like Koreans were catching you up and something had to be done. Or it was just an excuse, that if Portgas can, we can do same shit to others?

Stop showing me like main buguser Im saying it for all, not only for Koru ;p
I dont know anything about java, to steal passwords, i was only friend of guy who create this idea, and he present me some accounts.
About bug raids. I didnt was main guy here. WF raid was created by one rua guy, i was here, yes, but why im like MAIN BUGUSER?
Chair raids, etc. I never was main guy at this raids, but i was here.
All bug raids was created by Dis guys, exept one, counter-attack at Brisbane.

[schime77]

SItuation is then like this.
All big villages raid individuals or small villages without using bugs. But when a big village want's to raid someone the same size (or numbers) the only posible way is to use bugs.
Every big village already used bugs. Small villages and individuals don't use bugs because they will be destroyed (killed) in return. But they can at least bicth on the forum.

[Koru]

By Portgas I meant ppl connected with Portgas. My mistake.

[Tonkyhonk]

Also I am not buying stuff with WoR raid. Portgas did something so we gonna raid Koreans cus they were allied? For me it looks like Koreans were catching you up and something had to be done. Or it was just an excuse, that if Portgas can, we can do same shit to others?

good point, Koru.
Koreans had been fighting against all the agressive russian players like portgas' group and Dis since the beginning of this world. their clay had almost always been vandalized as i heard. when someone showed an SS of a big pt fight, i remember Audrey mentioned something along the line of "our daily gameplay in this world and nothing new" and laughed. one time, they decided to gather up a big group to go against Dis, and later i was informed they were allied with portgas which was the last thing i could imagine at that time. of course the war had been going on long before they allied to portgas and co.

SItuation is then like this.
All big villages raid individuals or small villages without using bugs. But when a big village want's to raid someone the same size (or numbers) the only posible way is to use bugs.
Every big village already used bugs. Small villages and individuals don't use bugs because they will be destroyed (killed) in return. But they can at least bicth on the forum.

lol sounds close enough to me.

Stop showing me like main buguser Im saying it for all, not only for Koru ;p
I dont know anything about java, to steal passwords, i was only friend of guy who create this idea, and he present me some accounts.
About bug raids. I didnt was main guy here. WF raid was created by one rua guy, i was here, yes, but why im like MAIN BUGUSER?
Chair raids, etc. I never was main guy at this raids, but i was here.
All bug raids was created by Dis guys, exept one, counter-attack at Brisbane.

well, like someone else said somewhere, you have been the loudest, easiest target to put blame on.
with the account theft event, you were stupid enough to troll those accounts only for lols, while Dis actually utilized the retrieved accounts later to hit you hard effectively in the end, which shouldnt have happened if you were smart.
someone brought you a shiny gun on a silver platter, and you enjoyed using it. you cannot put the blame to those who brought it to you just because it backfired, although i still feel that all who were related to the event should have gotten their accounts nuked altogether, no matter guilty or not. (those who were hacked were guilty as well imho.)
you might not be the main abuser, but it doesnt change the fact that you were one of them enjoying it.

[Shiro_kun]

well, like someone else said somewhere, you have been the loudest, easiest target to put blame on.
with the account theft event, you were stupid enough to troll those accounts only for lols, while Dis actually utilized the retrieved accounts later to hit you hard effectively in the end, which shouldnt have happened if you were smart.
someone brought you a shiny gun on a silver platter, and you enjoyed using it. you cannot put the blame to those who brought it to you just because it backfired, although i still feel that all who were related to the event should have gotten their accounts nuked altogether, no matter guilty or not. (those who were hacked were guilty as well imho.)
you might not be the main abuser, but it doesnt change the fact that you were one of them enjoying it.

Yes, you some right. I was stupid at this story with accounts. But, why im like main point in bugusing?A lot of ppl from NNN used more bugs than me, but forum dont talking about them, they talking about me

[Tonkyhonk]

Yes, you some right. I was stupid at this story with accounts. But, why im like main point in bugusing?A lot of ppl from NNN used more bugs than me, but forum dont talking about them, they talking about me

like i said, you are the easiest target to put blames on.
but maybe also because you have been associating with both AD and NNN for long who, according to you, used more bugs.
and the point is, not who used it more/the most, nor which abuse was worse.
untill you get it, youll be targetted forever and the language barrier accelerates it.
(but your english is improving it seems. i can understand you more easily lately.)

[burgingham]

I am surprised anyone is still surprised when anything Goo said turns out to be a lie. It is what she does people, all the time. When she opens her mouth she spews lies to convince you everything isn't so bad. Of course they bruteforced hs, of course they crashed the server, they jumped so many walls I cannot even count it anymore. People in Dis are what used to be the scum of AD. Running entire cities of bots, abusing any exploit possible. Was even too much for poor Koya to endure. I mean if you have to accept Koya being the good guy in a story then something is seriously wrong.

They keep most of the bugs they find a secret too btw. When it would be their duty as playtesters to report them.

To find our silver? To find our gold?

Really Valten? Really? Little birdie told me about those bots able to mine in a straight line. That birdie also told me you got a dozen times of what you would have in iron, gold and silver without this bot. Hi, Ramo.

Why do you even argue? Why do people even believe you?

Most funny part of the thread is Sarchi though. Now that he thinks "my side" doen't like him anymore he tries to crawl up Ainrans ass again.

[ewlol]

Your village lost a guy in a fight and your group was so mad that you decided to exploit to take down a competitor by cheating.

I'd like clarification on this as well, if Jorb or Loftar don't like it, they can nuke it (Oddimonium, the ram walled with crossroads).

Last world, Ainran and Pandemonium used, crossroads, brickwall cornerposts, and mineholes to wall rams and attempt to raid/attempt to raid Kiribilli, Bhod, CCCP, and Taar. No one accused us of cheating then except for RUA, and of course everyone here argued against that.

Maybe people are so pissed at the fact you used bugs to raid because you were the aggressor? There is a clear distinction between raiding as a defense/retaliation than raiding for pure malice.

We didn't start raiding illegitamately until Taar raided Ramon's tree farm. Before, we legit raided siberia with a ram and killed their members. Pretty sure that random or whatever the telletubbies village was raided with a ram too.

Taar was raided as an act of retaliation towards their mine hole and house bug raids early in the world. The difference here is that ainran just raids to piss people off and cause drama. You raids are purely self centered. You just hurt people and their villages.

When the world hates you, they have far far far less sympathy for bug raiding. I don't see how you find that unfair.

[_Gunnar]

(a) Those mining bots are pretty overpowered and abusive... I guess this is how you get shiny things

(b) with reference to the WoR affair, you gotta think that even if they camped a ram with 30 warriors, ROK would just use an exploit like statues, or crash the server, to make the ram useless. So if any of these big factions want to "win", they are forced to exploit. The real problem is the fact that no-one is removing the exploits, or punishing those who use them.

(c) Crashing the server when trapped is fucking lame. So is surrounding warriors with alt wall so you can shoot at them at your leisure. Again its exploit or fail, real culprits are J&L, if you give kids the opportunity to cheat and get ahead some of them will take it, blahblahblah.

(d) I don't know about any hidden "arsenal" of unreported bugs & exploits, and I don't see any evidence for it, but maybe i'm just ignorant.

(e) These discussions about bagousers are boring. Its an abandoned alpha game, everyone knows that the big factions use this stuff now, its worth putting a post repeating it every now and then so new players stay aware of the facts but it doesn't need so many pages of discussion in a thread that could be about real politics + social interactions. Everyone knows joojoo is kindof a "snob" (which i do respect you for btw, but no need to repeat it so much), and valten is cool & rather honourable, etc, etc.