The Fate of Account Thieves (Portgas&co)

[boshaw]

The way to deal with it is to not have the fucking client for an MMO be open-source.

Then people would just decompile it(like they did pre-open source hnh client) and people would still distribute private clients or even public modified ones. If you're going to argue over open-source issues then you might as well argue for it to be written in a language that can't be decompiled with no effort like java, C#,...

[burgingham]

@Elaes just because something is common in other games too doesn't justify it happening. In other games you usually at least only compromise a single account with some char on it and that is that. In HnH the actual in game possesions are towns, networks etc and I hopefully don't have to elaborate on what consequences an account theft can have here.

The thing is the devs are not doing anything about it. In any other game you will get at least your ass banned for doing such shit. Even if that doesn't keep a dedicated hacker away permanently it at least sets a limit.

Also, we a.) have been discussing a mix of problems here and not only this one and b.) I was not one of the people advertising a shutdown no matter what.

[Radiant_Maelstrom]

The difference between other companies and Haven and Hearth is that the former is a generally a larger scale organization and the latter is simply two college students that are only doing this as a hobby so the difference between security strength is fairly vast.

Burgingham, are you implying that sooner or later someone will try to hack into the haven server directly?

[Kaios]

The way I see it, if even one of them has enough time during the day to restart the server after a crash, post updates to facebook or speak on IRC for a little while, then why can't they make a bit of time to respond to things like this?

The only reason I can think of is that they choose not to respond, for whatever reason that may be.

To me, that is where things start to fall apart. Not bugs, not the terrible community, not the account thefts.

[boshaw]

Burgingham, are you implying that sooner or later someone will try to hack into the haven server directly?

I'd be amazed if there hasn't been attempts already by angry players

[sabinati]

The way I see it, if even one of them has enough time during the day to restart the server after a crash, post updates to facebook or speak on IRC for a little while, then why can't they make a bit of time to respond to things like this?

The only reason I can think of is that they choose not to respond, for whatever reason that may be.

To me, that is where things start to fall apart. Not bugs, not the terrible community, not the account thefts.

loftar did respond to it, at least to some degree... read the OP, the accounts were given back to their original owners. if other people have compromised accounts and have not regained them, it's probably because they didn't ask.

[Potjeh]

The only reason I can think of is that they choose not to respond, for whatever reason that may be.

To me, that is where things start to fall apart. Not bugs, not the terrible community, not the account thefts.

Yup, by my reckoning H&H died on the day that infamous bugraid of Winterfell went unpunished.

[Elaes]

@Elaes just because something is common in other games too doesn't justify it happening. In other games you usually at least only compromise a single account with some char on it and that is that. In HnH the actual in game possesions are towns, networks etc and I hopefully don't have to elaborate on what consequences an account theft can have here.

The thing is the devs are not doing anything about it. In any other game you will get at least your ass banned for doing such shit. Even if that doesn't keep a dedicated hacker away permanently it at least sets a limit.

Also, we a.) have been discussing a mix of problems here and not only this one and b.) I was not one of the people advertising a shutdown no matter what.

about the A: mix of problems is like clearly stating this thread is going terribly out of topic since was made (as title state) to show in public who was the one behind the account stealing and probably even to warn people about the cause of it

for the B : if you read till the end of my post, in fact i stated that i quoted your sentence only because was taking the point of shutting down and accoutn stealing in a single sentence not to point finger on you

but seriously i personally (my opinion indeed not stating is right or wrong as the word of God) think that is not devs job to give brain to their playerbase and enlight them to not download a possible dangerous client modified (btw i can list you a quite huge amount of game where many account got stoled even "important" or of leaders of major guilds leading most operations (daoc / aion / any rvr game have "in charge people well know to all) where the admin or devs could not ban a "company of botters/goldseller/or tool to let the game be easier" but only say : "next time turn your brain in mode "on" and stick with trusted program only". And actually since this game dont even have a in game income like almost all f2p (and how Salem will have), devs are really supposed to do nothing aside what the crap they want and when they want, the freedom is accept it or not.

my 2 cent

[Kaios]

Yeah Sab sorry, you're right. What I meant was at least give some acknowledgement about whether or not they are going to let this one slide or maybe decide on some sort of punishment.

Either way, any response at all via the forum would go a long way in my opinion.

[Hourai_Chimes]

Games are played by people are various degree of moralities.

Also, it doesn't even have to be keylogger client. Just brute forcing random account can yield something.