War between winterfell, ainran and R&C.

[erozaxx]

Sorry to dissapoint you, but it seems that our newbies had better village than your main is. And if that was cheese factory than lol, you should see the real one. Their only fault was using keys and they won't do it again for sure .

This is truth. Your noobville had better ... well no village (cuz the settings, defense and layout sucked) but from PoV of quality and stuff it was rly juicy loot. You are completely right here.

[cobaltjones]

I guess I'll stay out of the debate since I wasn't really familiar with or aware of any strong stances by Aracos and his village mates about the sanctity of the game. From what I've seen I haven't noticed any such attitude, but I guess I don't pay that much attention.

If that's true then yeah he's dumb for expecting people to play fair when even the developers don't care at this point. Using exploits to defend yourself against exploits and using exploits to initiate an attack are two different things though. If he didn't have such a holier-than-thou attitude about the whole thing it would be pretty easy to side with him on this one.

[Elaes]

Edit: You WF guys are so adorable justifying this right now. Just be men and addmit you are exploiting the shit out of a broken game like anyone else who wants to stay alive. Otherwise please go back to vanilla client, stay beside your leather while it is drying and get those infinite fires out of your basement. Jeez...

as you said before you didnt read all post so i guess you missed on some of the initial pages of this post, some clarification on it with the admission that everybody (us included) use game mechanics as much as we can.

What seems to me by the way, is that you just keep talking about the "high-horse morality of aracos" as an excuse for flame him, and this just because way too many people trash-talk in skype then come in the forum to drown their rage when they can (you know masturbation work aswell for that if you cant pay 50 bucks), few threads ago on the account stealing you stated you changed your point of view, because is a process of maturation change opinion and idea, this can worth as a good excuse for you but not for anybody else? (your words Consistency vs evolution. I usually pick the latter.).

Overall the funny part is when you talk to aracos you even state that he dont play with a competitive mind, so i just want a good answer burg, how you are competitive if you need to play in a game where all (and i repeat all, aracos or any other jabroni out there) use game mechanics to the limit by just stick as other people can think it's a "fair" behaviour?
just do me a favor and dont answer "by not playing in this game anymore and just trash talking on forum ".

I've really no problem to admit that i argue and fight-talk with aracos about the 99% of my in game time, the rest of the 1% is just to blandly insult him, and both me and him usually talk without even think 10 seconds before write stuff just for the sake of it.

and dont confuse this post, in thinking i've any good reason to argue or flame agaisnt you because you cant be more wrong on it, in a game like this i consider people like you / koru / aracos / potjeh / valten / (and any other leader out there that decide to carry the "leadership flag") in a sucky position compared to other, simply to have to carry out the cross of all action your village (or your group) of people do, as your own responsability, and that would deserve at least a bit of respect for all the leaders out there, not just a reason to blindly flame without reason

[burgingham]

See, when you need to resort to personal insults such as me not being able to get laid to talk to me then I don't think I have any business with you.

Your points however are contradictory, sometimes even nonsensical. Aracos was the one who put on this smug, holier-than-thou attitude (nice word ^^) in the first place. I am just showing him his own face in the mirror here. I didn't flame him, I am just pointing out his hypocrisy. That is pretty easy to grasp ast least in my head. Maybe not so clear for everyone though.

[Smurfette]

and dont confuse this post, in thinking i've any good reason to argue or flame agaisnt you because you cant be more wrong on it, in a game like this i consider people like you / koru / aracos / potjeh / valten / (and any other leader out there that decide to carry the "leadership flag") in a sucky position compared to other, simply to have to carry out the cross of all action your village (or your group) of people do, as your own responsability, and that would deserve at least a bit of respect for all the leaders out there, not just a reason to blindly flame without reason

I can agree with that, so maybe Erozaxx could just be the first one who can read it and learn something.

[erozaxx]

and dont confuse this post, in thinking i've any good reason to argue or flame agaisnt you because you cant be more wrong on it, in a game like this i consider people like you / koru / aracos / potjeh / valten / (and any other leader out there that decide to carry the "leadership flag") in a sucky position compared to other, simply to have to carry out the cross of all action your village (or your group) of people do, as your own responsability, and that would deserve at least a bit of respect for all the leaders out there, not just a reason to blindly flame without reason

I can agree with that, so maybe Erozaxx could just be the first one who can read it and learn something.

Could you explain more? I am dumb. Cuz all the named ppl in the post are respected by me. Even Koru, aside I am not his most favourite guy prolly.... So where is the point I should learn from?

[barracuda546]

I wouldn't mind at all if you used this and simply be quiet about it...

You definitely would, but it would be harder for you to find excuse for it. Period.

No, no I would not. I would defend my town in the same way as you, probably even with more drastic methods. Also, I would build the statues so that they aren't entirely useless.

You prolly know that enemies are to fight with same weapon. We used a their fault to defend us, not to raid. But yeah if you are retards you will say "Ara u b4g buzzers like others, u mad like a cow that fuck a bull!".

You seem to be mad. But this right here is what I am talking about. Aracos did say he would never use bugs, exploits, not even alts. A single alt spawned was high treason in his eyes. I recall sentences like: "Now if this was my town..." back in w5. This time it is his town. And oh what a surprise he uses the same exploits as everyone else to defend it.

@Tonky: You seem to have an agenda of misunderstanding me lately. I would not care at all about statue spam, alt spam or whatsoever. What I care about is Aracos hypocrisy. It was directed at me and Avu personally in the past. Telling us how he would never resort to such measures as we did when all we tried was to keep our town safe. Your argument is just plain dispensable and seems to only serve the purpose of framing me of something. I did always use questionable methods as soon as my towns safety was in danger. That has and always will be the point for me where I start to exploit and probably even abuse bugs (that I usually report beforehand). I will never start raiding people unprovoked, Sodom prefers to stay in peace and just farm our quality up. As soon as someone tries to interfere with that I will kick his ass with all weapons I can get my hands on. Though let us please not start this discusison again...
Btw it still looks to me like Aracos started this war more or less unprovoked. Probably got boring for the peaceful Winterfell. That however is not my main pooint.

It is simply Aracos hypocrisy and I will keep rubbing that in his face, because he has shown an incredibly arrogant attitude towards us in the past for being "exploiters".

@Cobalt: I am quoting his words. For those uninformed he lived in Pande for some time after he lost Winterfell. All he ever did was call us exploiters and bagousers though while conveniently staying logged off and not helping at all to keep his town safe.

Aracos was a hidden bagouser all along! gasp!

[Elaes]

See, when you need to resort to personal insults such as me not being able to get laid to talk to me then I don't think I have any business with you.

was a joke and intended to be, get so hardly attacked by that, make people think something touched a bad nerve there. here is some answer you could've used to answer in a better way : "hahaha i fuck like a rabbit enough, sometimes i need just to take variation on amusement action" or "your posting too, you ever follow your advices?" but well, i didnt tought was taken so bad for you, i would avoid to joke on stuff that can make you feel insulted, sorry for that. (see im not joking anymore or i would've added : here take a napkin and dry your tears, rise and shine let's go back to talk, but i didnt as promised and i will not joke anymore).

Your points however are contradictory, sometimes even nonsensical. Aracos was the one who put on this smug, holier-than-thou attitude (nice word ^^) in the first place. I am just showing him his own face in the mirror here. I didn't flame him, I am just pointing out his hypocrisy. That is pretty easy to grasp ast least in my head. Maybe not so clear for everyone though.

tell me where it seems contradictory or nonsensical to you i would happy to explain myself better as much as i can

i expected an answer honestly on the : how you are competitive if you need to play in a game where all (and i repeat all, aracos or any other jabroni out there) use game mechanics to the limit by just stick as other people can think it's a "fair" behaviour?

[gradouble]

Exploit? Me?

[Tonkyhonk]

@burg,
if i sounded like i was trying to frame you of something, then it was my expectation that you should be mature enough to accept his "change" as the same thing you experienced. or should i have rubbed your own hypocrisy in your face previously? i know you are one of the nicest bunch of the players(ex or not) here and i still have some respect for you and im trying to avoid some blunt lines i would have used to others. (and i do hope you know its not because your name is green.) i dont think it is only "misunderstanding" lately, burg. and i really hate to see how you sound here lately and im with cobaltjones on this one. but of course it doesnt matter to you.

@Smurfette,
no, i dont ride a white horse, i have my own knight on a grey horse
better start teaching your "newbie players" instead of trying to boo to the current winners. and maybe you should check your own behaviour too before insulting others.