My thoughts on Dis and Ainran

[ninja_yodeler]

Aww, now you are just being mean.

Seriously though the only ones meaning less is the people playing the game in such a state. I don't get why you are not playing a game that actually caters your needs. Here you need to exploit a bug to find fun (aka movement combat...yes it is an exploit) while there are dozens of games specifically designed to be skill based realtime combat games.

Ah, I forgot you became peaceful quality farmers now that need a worldwide alliance to make sure their security is intact.

Contrary to your apparent beliefs the world is not so much a shithole as you so often imply. Combat, hearthvaults and many of the "pvp side of life" things are broken, but there is still so much that is not, All you really need to do right now is have a brickwall and you are 85% assured of safety. With more than half the game still very enjoyable It's quite ignorant of you to keep belittling those who still actually play because we can look at more than just one aspect of the game

[bmjclark]

If he can't win the game isn't worth playing.

[ninja_yodeler]

That explains it

I remember back when I was an arrogant 7 year old.

[burgingham]

You are like 14 or something? Stop embarassing yourself please and keep your mouth shut.

BMJ is kinda right though. I play to win and the game has been broken beyond repair so one cannot "win" (I know some people have problems with this term in HnH and how to define it)in the same terms as one used to be.

Crossposting this:

For all those who still don't get it: This game was never made to be a PvP game. Open permadeath PvP is just a necessary mechanic to support the kind of social, economic and political simulation the game aims to be. The community and some very unbalanced mechanics have made that game go to shit though and create a broken sport hunting game frankly of which there are better ones out there if that is the game you are aiming for.

If it were up to me I would remove the entire combat system from the game and just make it an exchange of punches letting the higher number win till the day the devs find time to implement something real. That would make the game at least somewhat go back to its roots.

So yeah I don't aim to win in a halfassed melee hunting game. I aim to participate and excel in what used to be a very interesting simulation of society.

You may play and enjoy the game all you want, I don't care about that and don't belittle you. The game is another one than the one I used to like though and in my opinion it is that because it is broken and is getting abused the shit out of it by some raider kiddies. I won't get tired of reiterating it and you all know it to be true. Some newbies still playing Haven and Farm don't change the fact that the entire political landscape has gone to hell and there is only anarchy or rather barbarism left.

[Valten21]

The only games I have ever played are MMORPG's, all have had pvp servers based on the "blue" servers. Haven and Hearth is most appealing to me, because we are given the opportunity to create our own story line, no longer am I taken by the hand to flow through a string of quests and a set story line, we are making our own, in a role playing aspect this appeals to me greatly. I might of slayed the goblin chief and released the slaves captured under his reign of tyranny, but it's importance was watered down by the only reward being some XP, a item, and the opportunity to do it again for maybe a different item. I am the tyrant now, Gommorah the plague of the hearthlands.

Mourn for us oppressed in fear
Chained and shackled we are bound
Freedom choked in dread we live
Since tyrant was enthroned

[ninja_yodeler]

17. Still young to most of you but meh.

Stop embarassing yourself please and keep your mouth shut.

Saying what I see, your acting like a kid; Just because it's not the way you want it, you are repeatedly going on about how silly anyone who still plays is.

You may play and enjoy the game all you want, I don't care about that and don't belittle you. The game is another one than the one I used to like though and in my opinion it is that because it is broken and is getting abused the shit out of it by some raider kiddies. I won't get tired of reiterating it and you all know it to be true. Some newbies still playing Haven and Farm don't change the fact that the entire political landscape has gone to hell and there is only anarchy or rather barbarism left.

From the outside that is true, but you are only seeing what is happening on the forums, and perhaps a few closer companions who still play. The large factions post about how they are great warriors and the newbs post about how they are being raided and killed etc, you seem to be missing that among all that there is still a social and governmental game going on behind the curtain of the forums, they may not draw too much attention to themselves that you would notice but that does not mean they don't exist. I may not have the right angle on whatever game this used to be when you played it, but you often talk about the game being about the social side of things, well that all still happens, It's just hidden behind the inflated ego's of the "raiders"

( I realise that I have no argument here, You just really seem unbearably obnoxious every time you mention those who still play )

[Shiro_kun]

[Valten21]

And that's why I don't ever talk about roleplaying, I'd even prefer "kiddie raider"

[burgingham]

From the outside that is true, but you are only seeing what is happening on the forums, and perhaps a few closer companions who still play. The large factions post about how they are great warriors and the newbs post about how they are being raided and killed etc, you seem to be missing that among all that there is still a social and governmental game going on behind the curtain of the forums, they may not draw too much attention to themselves that you would notice but that does not mean they don't exist. I may not have the right angle on whatever game this used to be when you played it, but you often talk about the game being about the social side of things, well that all still happens, It's just hidden behind the inflated ego's of the "raiders"

You see that is simply not true. I still know 3 times of what is going on behind the curtains right now than you do.

I am arguing to improve the game, to get it back to at least where it once was even though that was far from perfect too. I am not being obnoxious, when you feel like you are being treated like that then it has a reason. In your particular case you calling me childish while acting like one and being one yourself.

And that's why I don't ever talk about roleplaying, I'd even prefer "kiddie raider"

I don't get this? Is this adressd to me? Nobody could have been further away from roleplaying than us. Striving for economic, social and political power is something very real (in the definitions of the game), more than killing for fun is. I would rather label that as a form of roleplaying.

Plus I am actually trying to improve the game, while you are all acting like nothing is broken. That is not only roleplaying that is ignorance. You are just labelling me then as something to make it easier on yourself.

Btw Ninja if you repeatedly try to make my long and meaningful posts look like they are without content or childish then I will assume you are trolling the forums. You may argue with me on a constructive level, but calling me a child is not adding to any form of discussion.

[Valten21]

Acting like nothing is broken.. except for every time I've said sieging is broken, combat system is broken (to Jorb, not you), fought against the auto hearthing based on the reason it was another nail in the coffin next to vaults, I've displayed my disdain for alts and the cheapness of dying, but it always comes back to the same thing lately, it's pointless to have a conversation with you.

How you can even argue that the role I'm playing is not playing a role as much as yours... Two words, Chaotic Evil. One more, fascism.

I should just let go of my fond memories playing Norse in Mordheim, Iksar in EQ, iksar in EQ2, my gnoll monk in DnD, Khornate Bloodthirsters in Warhammer Fantasy Table Top, these games are not role playing nor games, and shouldn't have any influence on my choices in this "MMORPG"... I should strive for economic, social, and politicial power because that is role playing in it's truest form.