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Re: New player looking for information on game politics

Postby SpakyPD » Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:06 pm

Potjeh wrote:I find it hard to believe that he sells his very best stuff to the general public.

No trader in the entire world would be able to sell their very best stuff, since they would have such limited supply of it. Ramo sets his Q points at what he can provide consistently.

I assume that you are implying based on the previous post of:
Ramo is a bomb factory that anyone can go and purchase bombs from.

That ramo gives better Q bombs to people in Ainran?

I would say this isn't the case, if you had two bars of Q100 steel, and asked ramo to craft them into a SS for you, he'd do it for a fee. I can assure you that ramo did not spend extra time trying to outfit Ainran fighters. If some of them asked him for a high Q sword, they would have to do work that would free up his time to make some higher Q steel, or, they would have to provide the high Q steel.
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Re: New player looking for information on game politics

Postby ramones » Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:55 pm

Koreans equip Ainran fighters...
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Re: New player looking for information on game politics

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Re: New player looking for information on game politics

Postby _Gunnar » Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:25 pm

SpakyPD wrote:
Potjeh wrote:I find it hard to believe that he sells his very best stuff to the general public.

No trader in the entire world would be able to sell their very best stuff, since they would have such limited supply of it. Ramo sets his Q points at what he can provide consistently.

I assume that you are implying based on the previous post of:
Ramo is a bomb factory that anyone can go and purchase bombs from.

That ramo gives better Q bombs to people in Ainran?

I would say this isn't the case, if you had two bars of Q100 steel, and asked ramo to craft them into a SS for you, he'd do it for a fee. I can assure you that ramo did not spend extra time trying to outfit Ainran fighters. If some of them asked him for a high Q sword, they would have to do work that would free up his time to make some higher Q steel, or, they would have to provide the high Q steel.


Sorry Spaky, but imo this is missing the point. The initial question/argument I personally had was about ramones allegiance, and whether if ramones sends a message to another trader requesting that they lower prices (and therefore lower their own profits), they should interpret this as a request from Ainran or not, given that he is clearly an Ainran member. As you can imagine refusing such a request is not as straightforward as if he was not in Ainran - although I am sure ramones did not mean it in an aggressive way, due to the nature of his close friends in game, who I'm sure don't want the competitiveness of his prices reduced, regardless of whether they can see any direct profit to themselves, noone can just ignore such a request without thinking very carefully about it.

I'm willing to believe ramones really thinks of his trade as perfectly separated from ainran, but I think its naive of him to do so (which is why Tonky is trying to discuss this with you and him now, trying to understand the nature of the ainran-ramones relationship*).

I also I suppose believe him that he wasn't really doing RM trades as a "business", but I'm just disappointed that he did it at all. I really enjoyed trading & talking with him last world, and I am certainly not trying to attack him personally, just try and make him see things from my point of view I suppose (since I always think I'm right...).

*btw i think this particular discussion, in my opinion, is not too relevant & all that needs to be known is that ramones is an ainran member, and since ainran is largely a raider faction it seems natural for others to assume that the raider part might defend his trade profits, for "fun", even :), whether he asks them to or not...
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Re: New player looking for information on game politics

Postby SpakyPD » Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:12 am

_Gunnar wrote:Sorry Spaky, but imo this is missing the point. The initial question/argument I personally had was about ramones allegiance, and whether if ramones sends a message to another trader requesting that they lower prices (and therefore lower their own profits), they should interpret this as a request from Ainran or not, given that he is clearly an Ainran member. As you can imagine refusing such a request is not as straightforward as if he was not in Ainran - although I am sure ramones did not mean it in an aggressive way, due to the nature of his close friends in game, who I'm sure don't want the competitiveness of his prices reduced, regardless of whether they can see any direct profit to themselves, noone can just ignore such a request without thinking very carefully about it.

I'm willing to believe ramones really thinks of his trade as perfectly separated from ainran, but I think its naive of him to do so (which is why Tonky is trying to discuss this with you and him now, trying to understand the nature of the ainran-ramones relationship*).

I also I suppose believe him that he wasn't really doing RM trades as a "business", but I'm just disappointed that he did it at all. I really enjoyed trading & talking with him last world, and I am certainly not trying to attack him personally, just try and make him see things from my point of view I suppose (since I always think I'm right...).

*btw i think this particular discussion, in my opinion, is not too relevant & all that needs to be known is that ramones is an ainran member, and since ainran is largely a raider faction it seems natural for others to assume that the raider part might defend his trade profits, for "fun", even :), whether he asks them to or not...

Hey Gunnar, I'll try to answer paragraph by paragraph, rather then breaking your post up into quote boxes.

#1: I'm 95% sure that you mean to say that ramo asked other traders to INCREASE their prices, thus preventing undercutting and less profit for everyone involved. If ramo had the lowest prices, why would he want others to lower theirs? He'd just make more sales. If I'm wrong in my assumption please let me know.
For the second part of this paragraph, I'm not totally convinced that the major traders felt fear from Ainran associated to ramo. Please, any major traders correct me if I'm wrong here! Trading in this game requires good feedback. I'm sure the last thing any of them want is a reputation for targeting competition.

#2: As a past Ainran member, I feel like ramo's trade was separate from the village. He specifically built a mountain trade village to trade through so no one was near the rest of us raider scum :D
We saw 'profit' through it in the form of use of some better tools that ramo traded for, but it was never something that was influential to how targets and raids were done.

#3 I can't comment on RM trades at all, since I have no information or details on them.
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Re: New player looking for information on game politics

Postby _Gunnar » Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:26 am

Hi Spaky,

#1. Ramones can beat almost if not all non-D+A traders on quality, so asking others to increase their prices is lowering their competitiveness as traders, compared to him - thats what I mean.

#2. They wouldn't post if they did feel fear, would they? Like I said, I'm sure ramones didn't mean it that way, but then he should have made a post in the open about it, I guess. I'm not trying to "target" ramones in any way, and also honestly it should be obvious to anyone that you can trust ramones to complete your trade honourably and quickly. Official statement, if you like. I hope however that you can try to see things from the point of view of a smaller peaceful trading village that knows that ramones is a member of ainran.

I think you understand my point, even if you do not agree, so I'm not going to repeat myself.

[Also, you are no longer in Ainran? Are you still playing, but quit Ainran, or you quit completely?]
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Re: New player looking for information on game politics

Postby SpakyPD » Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:43 am

#1 Ah, I understand now. I was mostly thinking of stuff like gold and pearls as sort of the universal currency.

#2 You are correct, smaller traders could see ramones as an intimidating person. I will agree that some traders might think of requests from him as more then meets the eye. I am not familiar enough with Apples & Oranges to know if there are a significant number of small traders.

However, for any small traders who read this, I believe ramo's statement would be that he would NOT call down the thunder for refusing his requests.

I would say that I have quit completely while I can not allocate enough time to play as I'd like. I hope to come back at some point :)
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Re: New player looking for information on game politics

Postby AandAM » Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:11 am

ramones wrote:Koreans equip Ainran fighters...


what is that mean?
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Re: New player looking for information on game politics

Postby Vigilance » Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:15 am

AandAM wrote:
ramones wrote:Koreans equip Ainran fighters...


what is that mean?


A large majority of Ainran's gear is looted from their enemies.
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Re: New player looking for information on game politics

Postby AandAM » Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:17 am

WarpedWiseMan wrote:RoK - Some Koreans or something. They probably couldn't afford Starcraft 2. They like to abuse alts like nobody's business.


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