Revolutionists KOSing people on peaceful supergrid.

[Tonkyhonk]

and where IS your proof? cut off the most important part of my line and be content with it?

*edit*
as for oddimonium raid, why did you have to use the ram bug if you could raid most of it without one?
just a part or the whole doesnt really matter, the fact is that you used it.

[Dallane]

-Vigilance was killed over raiding a guy licing nearby to the border of the peace SG. He was given a chance to survive, he'd be let away alive and with all his gear since he is/was a friend of Andreas from Ainran. But Vigilance showed fantastic effprts for not be left alone. In fact, he was helped to break inside of this newb's settlement by the Ainranian.

Why was the rest of us not killed by you guys then? Me Cthulhu thash and the other 2 people who were there are still kicking. Deathmessenger was there b4 vigi was killed also. I was there at the breaking and no one from ainran was there.

You guys also killed the person we were breaking into for his 140 thanes

[LadyGoo]

and where IS your proof? cut off the most important part of my line and be content with it?

How am I suppose to proof we knew the bug? As an alternative, simply ask people, the ones who are proven to not lie. I recall you were talking to Valten few times, you could try this.

as for oddimonium raid, why did you have to use the ram bug if you could raid most of it without one?
just a part or the whole doesnt really matter, the fact is that you used it.

Funny to hear from someone who never raided or participated a siege such things. As I said, the most of the city was destroyed without one. I am not denying we used it. But there are people using this one time as an arguement each time, saying it like we could not raid Oddimonium without buguse or using not legit method. I am stating that we could and actuall destroyed the majority of the city without it. Break in without it. If we would not use it, we'd still build a ram pocket inside of the city and wait for 8 more hours inside of it to break in the central area.

Why was the rest of us not killed by you guys then? Me Cthulhu thash and the other 2 people who were there are still kicking. Deathmessenger was there b4 vigi was killed also. I was there at the breaking and no one from ainran was there.

Don't lie, dude.
Simple story:
Andreas was helping out with breaking in. You were not killed since he did not want you to be killed and did not tell anyone the coords of the place. I recall I asked him for help just before and he couldn't come to build my palisade to help break his friend (vigilance) a brickwall.
Then Andreas returned and continued assisting me. Afterwards I have received a message from a newb that he's being attacked and the coords of his place. So, gathered some people and travelled to the place, entered the house and there were 2 guys left. 1 escaped, while Vigilance was KOed. It s natural for us to want the cape on this guy, but we were also asked by Andreas to not touch him. Were talking to Vigi for 20 minutes. Killed him since he did not move.
Also, we did not kill the person who asked for the help when we came. So, your words kind of noncence, since:
- at the time the q 140 would not be possible to exist. Only nowadays the max. q. ones I have seen are q 143;
- we are the richest faction, we do not need to kill someone for thanes specially.

[Amanda44]

I don't disagree with anything you've said here, i do exactly the same with regard to the forum, i don't see how you think that contradicts my statement.

people who have to keep on saying "this is just a game" do not understand it themselves, is my point.

Dev's not having the time to fix bugs due to other projects - again, how is that the fault of the player?

I'm really sorry but i don't see the point in either of your comments and don't see how you think they negate mine. I also agree bugs should be reported, the difference is i wouldn't come down so hard on someone for using them when they are there.

before, devs appreciated players finding bugs and reporting it so that they could fix.
now, devs dont have time at all, and we all know abusers are not someone they want to be bothered with here.
players abusing or exploiting is not doing anything good for this game currently. doing it knowingly is the fault of the player, obviously. if you cannot find the difference, then youre just like a monster mother in japan who yells at her kids teachers for not being able to check their every action at school, blaming it all on teachers but never blaming her own kids.

I must be really stupid because i'm still not getting your point. What is it i do not understand by pointing out this is a game? (in one post, in this context - no keep about it.)

As for the 'monster mother' comparison - i sort of get what you are saying but don't think its really applicable here, directed towards me rather than the devs. I am not the player bases mother and the only 'authority' figure here is the dev's. Players would not be able to abuse the system if it were not abusable. Not once have i said i support the use of the bigger exploits or denied it was not good for the game, all i have ever said is that i understand them being used.
If i felt overtly strongly about it then i would still ptotest to the dev's more than to the player who is 'smart' enough to use them to gain the advantage. (And please don't take that out of the context it is meant in.)
If the player base were my children i would forbid them from using the bugs and reprimand/punish them when they did - which was something i believe the dev's used to do before they lost interest.
As it stands we all make our own decisions on how far to go with the various bugs and will do so regardless of what other players opinion on it is, obviously, since we are on W6 now and everyone is still arguing about it.
Understanding something does not equal approval of it on a personal level.

I got involved in this discussion purely because i think all the hatred directed at Goo and Dis is hypocritical on more than one level. End of story.

[chocolaterain]

It's funny how this revolutionary thing has an ironic effect.

[hazzor]

It's funny how this revolutionary thing has an ironic effect.

what's funny is how late you are with that comment

[MightySheep]

all this rage because devs too lazy to write a few lines of code to fix bug

kind of funny really

[fallout]

all this rage because devs too lazy to write a few lines of code to fix bug

kind of funny really

Apparently its not that easy, Loftar has a weird way of coding as I've been told.
But most likely he has not changed it because Jorb wants to watch the world burn.

[DDDsDD999]

2 DDDsDD999

>Claim 2 bug-raids to show your strength, one of which was inactive.

Once again, my friend from Oddimonium. We are quilty only for 1 buguse in a raid. It happened when we were using rams inside of Oddi to break into the centraal area. However, you are silent about that we made a ram outside, legitly placed it in a brickwall pocket, even had our cr inside and did not summon any of us inside of it. You forgotalso to meantion that the majority of your plots were destroyed because you had rams all around the perimeter. You'd be destroyed anyways even we would not use the bug, since we broke in legitly, destroyed the majority of your plots using a legit method.

I believe you used 8hr ram bug in the beggining, but I'm not sure about that, I will assume the error was just with dodoe's client.

You also wouldn't have smashed the idol center, and I believe some of dodoe's items would still be here if you didn't abuse the bug.

[andrikyuzva]

Original thread title and discussion are two almost different things