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[ewlol]

Loftar, you know AD members account were not stolen by brute-forcing, rather hacking into email? I don't know why you are looking for brute-forcing evidence... of course you will never find it if it wasn't used in the first place.

I am having trouble believing that there isn't an shard of electronic trail that reveals who it was that stole 20++? accounts from AD and then subsequently destroyed the city from the inside-out, regardless of your nuking.

You have made it seem like you spent hours trying to fix the effects of AD's DoS, but you haven't spent much time, if any at all, investigating the REASON why they did the DoS in the first place.

As it was said by A.D. members, their private client keylog all accounts and send it to email. That email was hacked and all accounts was taken from there. I think they punish themselves with such things.

What you are saying makes no sense. This is not completely their fault. Someone hacked into an email account and stole the information, then continued to log into those accounts in-game. Obviously whoever hacked into the email knew what to do with Haven and Hearth accounts... he or she was no stranger to the game.

It looks to make like you are just trying to divert the situation and make it seem somehow like AD is completely at fault here. Sure, they DoSed and use a client that logs user's information, but the fact remains that someone stole that information and the proceeded to use it against them in-game, and that is the reason they DoSed in the first place.

It makes perfect sense to me to investigate who stole AD members account information, for that is the reason they lagged the server in the first place.

[Tonkyhonk]

You have made it seem like you spent hours trying to fix the effects of AD's DoS, but you haven't spent much time, if any at all, investigating the REASON why they did the DoS in the first place.

what makes it legit for you to assume loftar didnt do much? he has spent so much time on this, not just a couple of hours. i was there when all this started to show, which was like 11 pm my time, after a few hrs, i went to bed, came back, he was still working on it, went afk for a while, came back, he was still in game nuking vaults, helping some, and everything.
of course the hacker/bruteforcer didnt use the same IP for his own gameplay, for devs to track back to the ingame id, even if he could tell where in real he was doing it from.

As it was said by A.D. members, their private client keylog all accounts and send it to email. That email was hacked and all accounts was taken from there. I think they punish themselves with such things.

you sound well-informed, apxe. who are these AD members you spoke of to tell you what exactly happened?

[TamaOkina]

@ Marouk - This isn't the first time that A.D. has used this type of attack, this is just the first time they have been caught red-handed. Jan 23 the same if not similar thing was done when they attacked DIS after many of the players took a break from the lag. And tbh it isn't as if they warned jorb and loftar of their intent to break the server. They took the chance to do something highly illegal and were lucky they only lost what they did.

[ewlol]

You have made it seem like you spent hours trying to fix the effects of AD's DoS, but you haven't spent much time, if any at all, investigating the REASON why they did the DoS in the first place.

what makes it legit for you to assume loftar didnt do much? he has spent so much time on this, not just a couple of hours. i was there when all this started to show, which was like 11 pm my time, after a few hrs, i went to bed, came back, he was still working on it, went afk for a while, came back, he was still in game nuking vaults, helping some, and everything.
of course the hacker/bruteforcer didnt use the same IP for his own gameplay, for devs to track back to the ingame id, even if he could tell where in real he was doing it from.

He labelled the account stealing as brute-forcing, which it wasn't at all. That to me suggests that he doesn't even know what to look for.

[Tonkyhonk]

He labelled the account stealing as brute-forcing, which it wasn't at all. That to me suggests that he doesn't even know what to look for.

im pretty sure he is more informed than you are with all the data he has. maybe not as informed as the perp though.

[ewlol]

He labelled the account stealing as brute-forcing, which it wasn't at all. That to me suggests that he doesn't even know what to look for.

im pretty sure he is more informed than you are with all the data he has. maybe not as informed as the perp though.

Huh? If he is looking for brute-forcing evidence, he is not going to find it because that wasn't even the method used. That is my point.

[APXEOLOG]

What you are saying makes no sense. This is not completely their fault. Someone hacked into an email account and stole the information, then continued to log into those accounts in-game. Obviously whoever hacked into the email knew what to do with Haven and Hearth accounts... he or she was no stranger to the game.
It looks to make like you are just trying to divert the situation and make it seem somehow like AD is completely at fault here. Sure, they DoSed and use a client that logs user's information, but the fact remains that someone stole that information and the proceeded to use it against them in-game, and that is the reason they DoSed in the first place.
It makes perfect sense to me to investigate who stole AD members account information, for that is the reason they lagged the server in the first place.

1. email hacker didn't exact hack haven accounts.
2. Yes i think it's completely AD's fault. I always was against keylogging in all my public and private clients. Also, even if they do it, they can be at least less idiotic to save them on email account.
3. If i had a chance i'd do same things as this hacker. I know 3 times when Dis suffered from A.D. account hacking, 1 time only to make screenshot of Dis (at the beginning of the world, we found hacked account fast), 2 times our characters die. I'm not a white knight or smth like this. If people want to fight with me in the bug / programming battlefield, i will try to defeat them with same tools.

you sound well-informed, apxe. who are these AD members you spoke of to tell you what exactly happened?

First time i heard this from Portgas, later someone from AD with nickname Richard Grey confirmed this in the Inn of Brodgar skype conference.

[sabinati]

You have made it seem like you spent hours trying to fix the effects of AD's DoS, but you haven't spent much time, if any at all, investigating the REASON why they did the DoS in the first place.

what makes it legit for you to assume loftar didnt do much? he has spent so much time on this, not just a couple of hours. i was there when all this started to show, which was like 11 pm my time, after a few hrs, i went to bed, came back, he was still working on it, went afk for a while, came back, he was still in game nuking vaults, helping some, and everything.
of course the hacker/bruteforcer didnt use the same IP for his own gameplay, for devs to track back to the ingame id, even if he could tell where in real he was doing it from.

He labelled the account stealing as brute-forcing, which it wasn't at all. That to me suggests that he doesn't even know what to look for.

no he didn't. brute force was mentioned in relation to other incidents.

[borka]

For me there are 2 different shoes:

1.A big organized village and some Associates used a client that seems to have included a keylogger or a function that writes user account data into a file and sends them to an e-mail account.

Whether ppl knew about this function is another story - but the one who owns the email account where the account data is send to is responsible to take care - so it's outside of Jorb and Loftar range...


2. Blackmailng Jorb and Loftar for Rollback of Server to the times where the accounts had not being missused and interrupting the server by DOSsing it is sure a shoe that Jorb and Loftar have to care about.

The lagfix was just done 2 month back - player numbers going up again - ppl are happy to play again. Less pressure on Jorb and Loftar. Now a group didn't care for their safety outside of the range of Jorb and Loftars responsibility, internal they tried a bit to make the situation less worse - they weren't going to involve the "HnH community" by making their problem public.

That moment they had to recognize that there was nothing they could do they involved the "HnH community" in the worst way they could have done...just imagine what would have happend if Jorb and Loftar would have asked the "HnHcommunity" how to react...

I feel for all AD and Associates but the last persons i see responsible for what has happened are Jorb and Loftar...

What i wish is that the email account hacker gets blanked soon - best ingame and RL

and a more legit playstyle by all in future worlds

[_Gunnar]

nice summary. i feel really sorry for the more naive members of AD, and i hope that the hacker gets caught, but it seems pretty unlikely.